Re: Buji Zen


stumper wrote:
> Awaken21 wrote:
> > stumper wrote:
> >
> >>Awaken21 wrote:
> >>
> >>>stumper wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Awaken21 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>stumper wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Awaken21 wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>dkotschess@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Paul wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The intellect typically gets it wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Only "typically"?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>WAKE UP!!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>No absolutes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>After a while of practice the intellect gets it right. It's before
> >>>>>>>practice and in the early stages, that the intellect is less reliable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>What does your intellect say about this?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "OH SARIPUTRA, FORM DOES NOT DIFFER FROM THE VOID, AND
> >>>>>> THE VOID DOES NOT DIFFER FROM FORM. FORM IS VOID AND
> >>>>>> VOID IS FORM; THE SAME IS TRUE FOR FEELINGS, PERCEPTIONS,
> >>>>>> VOLITIONS AND CONSCIOUSNESS."
> >>>>>> http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/heartv05.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Close enough as words go.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Close enough to what?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Close enough to the experience to be helpful for another person who has
> >>>had the experience, or the sincere person who is perhaps close but
> >>>still working on it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is that your intellect talking?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That's what I think, yes.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Care to tell me how
> >>does your intellect reason in paradoxes?
> >
> >
> > For actual paradoxes I usually inspect the details closer, most of the
> > time the issue is resolved there.
> >
> > On the other hand you haven't yet presented me with a paradox. The
> > description in the Heart Sutra refers to the state of being in
> > correctly focused practice. My intellect doesn't view that as something
> > that requires reasoning. Instead it views the passage as reasonably
> > good description of a state of being my own intellect also finds
> > impossible to completely accurately describe using words.
> >
>
>
> You mean you don't see the paradoxes?
>
> If the Heart Sutra does not require reasoning,
> what does it require?
>

Practice and experience.

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