Re: Buji Zen

Awaken21 wrote:
> stumper wrote:
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>>Awaken21 wrote:
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>>>stumper wrote:
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>>>>Awaken21 wrote:
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>>>>>stumper wrote:
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>>>>>>Awaken21 wrote:
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>>>>>>>dkotschess@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Paul wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>The intellect typically gets it wrong.
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>>>>>>>>>Only "typically"?
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>>>>>>>>>WAKE UP!!!
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>>>>>>>>No absolutes.
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>>>>>>>After a while of practice the intellect gets it right. It's before
>>>>>>>practice and in the early stages, that the intellect is less reliable.
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>>>>>>What does your intellect say about this?
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>>>>>> "OH SARIPUTRA, FORM DOES NOT DIFFER FROM THE VOID, AND
>>>>>> THE VOID DOES NOT DIFFER FROM FORM. FORM IS VOID AND
>>>>>> VOID IS FORM; THE SAME IS TRUE FOR FEELINGS, PERCEPTIONS,
>>>>>> VOLITIONS AND CONSCIOUSNESS."
>>>>>> http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/heartv05.htm
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>>>>>Close enough as words go.
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>>>>Close enough to what?
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>>>Close enough to the experience to be helpful for another person who has
>>>had the experience, or the sincere person who is perhaps close but
>>>still working on it.
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>>>>Is that your intellect talking?
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>>>That's what I think, yes.
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>>Care to tell me how
>>does your intellect reason in paradoxes?
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> For actual paradoxes I usually inspect the details closer, most of the
> time the issue is resolved there.
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> On the other hand you haven't yet presented me with a paradox. The
> description in the Heart Sutra refers to the state of being in
> correctly focused practice. My intellect doesn't view that as something
> that requires reasoning. Instead it views the passage as reasonably
> good description of a state of being my own intellect also finds
> impossible to completely accurately describe using words.
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You mean you don't see the paradoxes?

If the Heart Sutra does not require reasoning,
what does it require?

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~Stumper
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