Re: Buji Zen


stumper wrote:
> Awaken21 wrote:
> > stumper wrote:
> >
> >>Awaken21 wrote:
> >>
> >>>stumper wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Awaken21 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>dkotschess@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Paul wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>The intellect typically gets it wrong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Only "typically"?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>WAKE UP!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No absolutes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>After a while of practice the intellect gets it right. It's before
> >>>>>practice and in the early stages, that the intellect is less reliable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>What does your intellect say about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> "OH SARIPUTRA, FORM DOES NOT DIFFER FROM THE VOID, AND
> >>>> THE VOID DOES NOT DIFFER FROM FORM. FORM IS VOID AND
> >>>> VOID IS FORM; THE SAME IS TRUE FOR FEELINGS, PERCEPTIONS,
> >>>> VOLITIONS AND CONSCIOUSNESS."
> >>>> http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/heartv05.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Close enough as words go.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Close enough to what?
> >
> >
> > Close enough to the experience to be helpful for another person who has
> > had the experience, or the sincere person who is perhaps close but
> > still working on it.
> >
> >
> >>Is that your intellect talking?
> >
> >
> > That's what I think, yes.
> >
>
>
> Care to tell me how
> does your intellect reason in paradoxes?

For actual paradoxes I usually inspect the details closer, most of the
time the issue is resolved there.

On the other hand you haven't yet presented me with a paradox. The
description in the Heart Sutra refers to the state of being in
correctly focused practice. My intellect doesn't view that as something
that requires reasoning. Instead it views the passage as reasonably
good description of a state of being my own intellect also finds
impossible to completely accurately describe using words.

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  • Re: Buji Zen
    ... After a while of practice the intellect gets it right. ... For actual paradoxes I usually inspect the details closer, ... There's a few unconstructive things an intellect could imply or reason out, if it reads that passage without actual exposure, but nothing I'd consider a straight paradox. ...
    (talk.religion.buddhism)
  • Re: Buji Zen
    ... After a while of practice the intellect gets it right. ... For actual paradoxes I usually inspect the details closer, ... There's a few unconstructive things an intellect could imply or reason out, if it reads that passage without actual exposure, but nothing I'd consider a straight paradox. ...
    (talk.religion.buddhism)
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