Re: Can any part of the Master's Will be separated from the Kitab-i-Aqdas?

On Jun 13, 11:51 am, rosscampb...@xxxxxxx wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:34 am, Jeffrey <Jeffrey...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Jun 13, 12:47 am, rosscampb...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Jun 12, 7:47 pm, Jeffrey <Jeffrey...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 11, 11:43 pm, rosscampb...@xxxxxxx wrote:

"...they...are inseparable parts of one complete unit." --Shoghi
Effendi

"It would...be helpful and instructive to bear in mind certain basic
principles with reference to the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Bahá,
which together with the Kitab-i-Aqdas, constitutes the chief
depository wherein are enshrined those priceless elements of that
Divine Civilization, the establishment of which is the primary mission
of the Bahá'í Faith. A study of the provisions of these sacred
documents will reveal the close relationship that exists between them
as well as the identity of purpose and method which they inculcate.
Far from regarding their specific provisions as incompatible and
contradictory in spirit, every fair-minded inquirer will readily admit
that they are not only complementary, but that they mutually confirm
one another, and are inseparable parts of one complete unit." (Shoghi
Effendi, W.O.B. page 4)

How many sacred Institutions delineated by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in His Will
and Testament could be removed from that Document and yet it would
remain "one complete unit" with the Kitab-i-Aqdas?

The correct answer is zero Institutions could be removed.

If you remove even one sacred Institution, you have an 'incomplete'
unit, not a complete one.

That "unit" is "complete" in the Orthodox Bahá'í Faith, with all of
the "specific provisions" present.

The website of the living Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith:

http://www.Bahai-Guardian.com

If they are inseparable parts of one complete unit, that means that
both of them are divinely revealed and Holy Text. That means that you
cannot declare any part of them void or inoperative and you cannot
change them. If they are one unit, then they are equally valid and
must be followed. This is the teaching of Shoghi Effendi.

Jeffrey

Yes, Jeffrey, that is his teaching, and that is what he was guarding
as Guardian, namely,
"those priceless elements of that Divine Civilization, the
establishment of which is the primary mission
of the Bahá'í Faith." How strange that sans-Guardian Bahá'ís continue
to speak of Shoghi Effendi as
"the Guardian", and yet thay have removed or endorsed the removal/
rejection from their version of the
Bahá'í Faith those same "priceless elements" which Shoghi Effendi, was
guarding, namely the
sacred Institutions delineated by the Master in His immutable Will and
Testament.

Ross

Dear Ross,

The problem in the sans-Guardian organization is the abandonment of
the principle of Baha'u'llah of the independent investigation of
truth. This principle seems to go together with Baha'u'llah's
elimination of clergy. For the first time, we are supposed to have a
religion where the members think for themselves instead of being spoon-
fed from their leaders. In the past, it was the corrupt leaders who
led their followers astray.

In this day and age, the people themselves are to be educated and are
to independently investigate so that the truth may be known to them.

In the sans-Guardian organization, it is taught that once you enter
the organization, the principle of independent investigation has been
satisfied. From that point forward, you are to simply obey the
dictates of their UHJ and its Counsellors instead of thinking for
yourself. If their UHJ decides to eviscerate the teachings of the
first Guardian, and to declare provisions of the Holy Text as invalid
or inoperative, then they simply obey without question. Their leaders
even go so far as to suggest that the Baha'is must see and hear
through the eyes and ears of their UHJ.

This is blasphemy.

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Dear Jeffrey,

The word "eviscerate" which you used to describe the sans-Guardian
UHJ's actions towards the
teachings of Shoghi Effendi is certainly the correct term. I reviewed
it in the dictionary and it says
"to remove a vital part". It appears that sans-Guardian women and men
embrace the attitude that
there does not exist any vital part in the Bahá'í Faith apart from
their headless UHJ. That is how they act.
And that attitude of theirs developed from an illegal interpretation
of Holy Text, not interpreted by the
only legitimate interpreter of Bahá'í Holy Writ and Holy Text, namely
a Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith.

Who told them that the Bahá'í Faith can exist/survive without the
sacred Institutions of the Guardianship
and the Hands of the Cause of God, and yet it could not exist/survive
without their headless UHJ?

Who told them that? If nobody told them, then why do they believe
it? It is evident that the women and
men in the large body of Bahá'ís are practicing faith by proxy in the
same manner as Christians do, just
as you wrote. christians trust paid professional clergypersons to
exercise faith on their behalf, doing their
investigation for them, for a fee. The spiritual circumstance of the
women and men of the large body of
Bahá'ís is not much different from that.

Otherwise, they would quickly discern that all of the sacred
Institutions delineated by the permanent
Center of the Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh, 'Abdu'l-Bahá, as enshrined in
His immutable Will and Testament,
The Charter of the New World Order, must and will fully function as
part of the Administration of which He
is the "perfect Architect", for the duration of this Holy
Dispensation.

For example, how could any Bahá'í believer with even a modest measure
of common sense and spiritual
insight believe that 'Abdu'l-Bahá would delineate a "sacred head" for
the legitimate Universal House of Justice,
specifically and clearly, in His Will and Testament, without that
"sacred head" ever fulfilling its function
and taking its place exactly as He delineated?

The headless/sans-Guardian UHJ will never have a "sacred head". It
will never function as the
"perfect Architect" designed a Universal House of Justice to function.
It will never have a Guardian, who,
as delineated by the Master, "is bound" to "... insist upon a
reconsideration by them of any enactment he conscientiously believes
to conflict with the meaning and to depart from the spirit of
Baha'u'llah's revealed utterances."

That 'insistence upon a reconsidration' by a living Guardian is a
vital role belonging exclusively to
the Guardian of the true Bahá'í Faith, which vital role has been
illegally eviscerated from the Bahá'í Faith
by individuals who usurped the authority to do so.

The Center of the Covenant, 'Abdu'l-Bahá, said that the Guardian "is
bound"

Who on Earth has authority to contradict Him, saying that the Guardian
'is not bound'?

I wouldn't want to be found in the shoes of someone contradicting "the
One round Whom all names revolve",
the Center of the Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh, 'Abdu'l-Bahá.

Ross

Ross,

They would say that they have no choice but to have a headless UHJ:

"There is no doubt at all that in the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-
Bahá, Shoghi Effendi was the authority designated to appoint his
successor; but he had no children and all the surviving Aghsan had
broken the Covenant. Thus, as the Hands of the Cause stated in 1957,
it is clear that there was no one he could have appointed in
accordance with the provisions of the Will. To have made an
appointment outside the clear and specific provisions of the Master's
Will and Testament would obviously have been an impossible and
unthinkable course of action for the Guardian, the divinely appointed
upholder and defender of the Covenant." The (so-called) Universal
House of Justice, 1966 May 27

What do you think?

Jeffrey

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