Re: The Internet ate my homework! The Nineteen Years (Part One)

On 2 Jun, 13:13, steveblombe...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
<snipped earlier stuff that was unnecessary>

The tablet addressed by the Primal Point to HWGSMM has several point:
1) The title of the tablet literally says: Inside the school house of
HWGSMM, (please) illuminate
2) The tablet says that HEWGSMM would wait for 19 years in the next
resurrection before He dismissed People of Bayan
3) That HWGSMM could do the the above even as he would be 'sucking
milk from the breast of her mother'.


I'm sure all of this points are addressed more than once in the long
post
I re-posted a few days back.

Most of the discussion revolved around the title. Bayanis arguing that
the title does refer to a physical school as opposed to Bahais
claiming that it is not a physical school and what is meant by it is
the divine knowledge and as such the manifestations of God are privy
to the tablet.

It appears that Bahais claim that the reference to the
School-house could not be a reference to a physical place because the
school is attributed to HWGSMM and because HWGSMM is educated by God
including the contents of the tablet therefore a physical school
would not be appropriate to HWGSMM.


I can't answer for what other people have said, but I've explained
clearly,
more than once that the fact that we've talked about your
interpretations
of Baha'u'llah's claims of innate knowledge as well as talking about
your interpretations of the Bab's tablet containing reference to
"primary schools" "nineteen years of respite" and "dismissing the
people of the bayan while he was sucking at his mother's breast"
does not mean that *I* have made any link between these two
entirely seperate conepts.

I'll say it again for clarity.

I believe that the question of whether baha'u'llah did or did
not claim innate knowledge has no bearing whatsoever on
the physicality or otherwise of the "school" mentioned by
the Bab in the Nineteen years tablet.

I also have never made the argument that because
Baha'u'llah believed he was the "Next Guy" does not
mean that I think it would be inappropriate if he went to
school.

On the contrary, I assume that Baha'u'llah indeed had whatever
kind of education would have been appropriate to a fairly
well off high class Iranian man of that time. (So, he might
have had tutors rather than go away to school - but I'm pretty
sure he had a normal education for his class and time)


Additionally, a detailed response to what Paul thinks is reponse to my
points and he posted several days ago but was lost and did not relaise
it was lost for a few days, will come when I get time to spare.

I think I'll wait for that before I say anything else.

Paul

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Relevant Pages

  • Re: The Internet ate my homework! The Nineteen Years (Part One)
    ... What is a laugh is Husayn-Ali's defence that HWGSMM would not go to ... What is laughable is Husayn-ALi's suggestion that the school must have ... about his power and authority. ... Because we are talking about the meaning of THIS tablet. ...
    (talk.religion.bahai)
  • Re: The Internet ate my homework! The Nineteen Years (Part One)
    ... Why do you bring in stuff from the Bayan which is IRRELEVANT ... So for you to tell me to point to that in the tablet was silly. ... Bayan where the possibility of HWGSMM to attend a physical school is ...
    (talk.religion.bahai)
  • Paul Hammonds post of 2nd June - Part 2
    ... existence of a primary school for HWGSMM. ... of the tablet. ... Husayn-Ali to reason against the physicality of the school because as ...
    (talk.religion.bahai)
  • Re: The Nineteen Years
    ... Your "reasons" for dismissing the fact that the school in the verse is ... that HWGSMM would attend school in His youth. ... instructing for the tablet to illuminate the Primary School OF HWGSMM. ...
    (talk.religion.bahai)
  • Re: The Internet ate my homework! The Nineteen Years (Part One)
    ... the views you put forward as yours put you in the Bahai ... The tablet addressed by the Primal Point to HWGSMM has several point: ... the title does refer to a physical school as opposed to Bahais ...
    (talk.religion.bahai)