Re: The Bah'i Scholars Series V - Selected Writings of Shoghi Effendi Regarding the Establishment of the Bah 'i Administrative Order

It seems that you did not see the whole post written by Ross or you didn't
want to see and only by looking at the first paragraph jumped to conclude
that he is agree with your wrong argument, this is what Ross wrote can you
explain where and how he did agree with what you said?


"Paul is not more important than Jesus, however he was an inseparable
part of His Plan.

'Abdu'l-Baha', indisputably a guardian of the Baha'i Faith, and the
Center of the Covenant of Baha'u'llah, made provision for Guardians to
continue after His passing.

Shoghi Effendi, a Guardian of the Baha'i Faith, was not more important
than 'Abdu'l-Baha', however he was certainly part of his Plan. An
inseparable part.

Incidentally, Paul wrote about various themes for which we have no
record of any mention by His Holiness the Christ in His recorded Words.

Baha'u'llah spoke the Words of God. Baha'i Holy Text informs us that
each Guardian of the Baha'i Faith is the "....expounder of the words of
God".

That does not mean that the Guardians are more important than the Lord
of this Age. They are, however, part of His Plan. An inseparable part.
They are the expounders of His Words.

The Master's Will and Testament, ( which provides for the Guardians of
the Baha'i Faith), together with the Most Holy Book, are
"...inseparable parts of one complete unit." (World Order of
Baha'u'llah, page four)

The Holy Baha'i Text which provides for Guardians of the Baha'i Faith
has been declared to be inseparable from the Most Holy Book. Thus it
is immutable and equally valid."
"PaulHammond" <pahammond@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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rosscampbell@xxxxxxx wrote:
Paul wrote:

"Seriously, I can't understand why you think St Paul is more
important than Jesus!

Paul"

His Holiness the Christ specifically told a Christian in damascus, by a
vision, that Paul was a "chosen vessel" to Him.

If Paul's 16 letters were not present in the Christian Greek Scriptures
I would suppose that the Christian Faith would be about the size of the
Zoroastrian Faith by now if it existed at all. Principally, Paul's
inspired letters are the ones which have impelled Christian
missionaries to the four corners of the Earth for centuries. His
letters are replete with powerful epigrammatic spiritual engines which,
when fired up by an individual woman or man, will propel that person to
eternal spiritual advancement.


So, you agree with my assessment, that this is indeed what you
are doing - and you rather think that it's the right thing to do
to emphasise what Paul said over what Jesus said??

Well - rarely have I ever heard such an explicit admission
from someone that they have lost the argument!

Ross, think about it. The point of Baha'u'llahs religion was for
people to worship God, not Guardians. Vessels and successors
are just steps along the way, not the whole point.

Think about those metaphors relating to light and lamps for
a second...

Paul



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