Re: Fundamentalist liberal Baha'is disenrolling Irfan19 and unenrolled Baha'is

Hi, Larry.

Heather Carr-Rowe wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I had to laugh today. I noticed I wasn't getting any more e-mails from
> Irfan19 or unenrolledbaha'i so I went to yahoo mygroups to check my status
> and lo and behold I have been summarily excommunicated by Karen from both
> lists without the courtesy of even an e-mail to notify me. Seems she's
> become just as fundamentalistic as the U.H.J., even more so, at least they
> have the courtesy to have the local N.S.A. send out a dear John letter.

Thanks for sharing with us, and it may be best to check with Karen
first, if she's moderating lists you are on just to make sure that
really she has deliberately unsubscribed you and it's not a case of
something unintended. Especially at this time of year, I'd hesitate to
ascribe such a happening to a deliberate act, before confirming that
really is the case.

> I guess Karen believes I'm the source of the leaks from Irfan and
> unenrolled to TRB; she could have had the guts to ask me if it was me. Funny
> thing, it wasn't. Ask Nima he's got his own sources and it wasn't me.
>
> Dear Karen is you read this I hope you feel some degree of embarassment for
> doing to me what was done to Michael, Alison and Sen by the U.H.J..
>
> Like I said I've known that liberal fundamentalists were a possibilty I
> just never expected Alison and you to display such levels of intolerance for
> the interpretations of others. To say the least I'm highly dissapointed.

Gosh, Larry, I think there's a lot of sad/irritated/hurt/enraged people
around. I very much empathize with the feeling of anyone seemingly cast
out by those who ought to be closest in this trying time. And, I think
the ideal response is what we've been moving towards in some posts of
this newsgroup (I especially favour this uncensored TRB precisely
because it is uncontrolled and offers the best opportunity for Baha'is
to show the world the real spiritual energy, capacity, potential of
Baha'i), a courteous exchange of views, information and understanding.

> I know I'm owed an apology from both you and Alision but like I mentioned
> before I dont expect one; fundamentalists rarely admit fault let alone
> apologize.

This is a complex topic, in my opinion. I am the readiest to apologize
for what I consider I've done wrong. I try to keep very open ears to
see what others are saying. And, my understanding of the globally
beneficial definition of fundamentalism is that this is extracting from
an ocean of sacred text excuses to erase higher spiritual behaviour.
I'm not sure that Karen and Alison have done what thusly identifies
them. I think your attitude of not expecting an apology is a correct
one.

In the current Baha'i atmosphere of mistrust, it is my opinion that the
various segmented e-lists understandably will generate such happenings,
and, you know, it still is possible your unsubscription, if such it
was, was not deliberate.

I very much hope you will continue to post openly here what is
conducive to Baha'i harmony. Personally, I'm very busy, and the time I
type this is taking away from a keen project, I'd like finished by the
end of the year. And, gladly I greet you and welcome you here, and hope
that all is going well with you and yours.

> Funny thing as well I still truly believe that there is only us we are
> them; that includes both you and Alison as well as all the members of the
> U.H.J., too bad you're all such a bunch of block heads you can't see that we
> are all 'as one soul'.

I understand the sense of hurt underlining these words. You have my
sincerest wishes that this can be transmuted by things deservedly going
well, happily and harmoniously, into radiant joy.

> Yours Larry

Thrice Three Blessings, Michael

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