Re: Most rapists are women
- From: Laurie S. <laurienews@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 04:37:56 -0500
On Wed, 17 May 2006 23:47:56 +0100, Baba Yaga Boney Legs
<spamdump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Laurie S. <laurienews@xxxxxxxxx> wrote, in talk.rape:
[Lan]
You think suddenly
one day all the men in the world woke up and thought "you know what? I
feel like treating women as my King and masters, so I'll protect and
provide for them"
Um, being protected and provided for does not make women masters. It
makes them weaker. Women are less often protected and provided for
these days, which makes them stronger.
I think both those accounts are dodgy -
I was oversimplifying. I don't think it's that black and white. But I
do reject the notion that men protect and provide for women because of
some sort of power women hold over them. People like Lan try to blame
long-standing situations on people who are affected by them, people
who didn't start those situations in the first place.
starting with the idea that
being protected and provided for has ever gone one way, except in a
very narrow sector of society, where it bestowed status on both
parties.
From what you say below, I think you're saying here that both sexesprotect and provide for each other, but have traditionally done so in
different ways.
That said, I believe Lan referred to the male protect/provide role. I
would imagine he would find a complementary female role to be suspect.
As far as i can see, the traditional division simply makes men's and
women's roles within a [partially] co-operative system different.
I agree. Some people look back at women's roles in that division as
demeaning or unimportant, but others see them as just as fundamental
as those of men.
Maybe where we get bogged down is when we look for them to have
meaning. It's hard to see the meaning in ironing, but it's just as
hard to see it in mowing the lawn. We want to be proud of what we give
to our families, and some of it's pretty mundane stuff. I think a lot
of what makes the roles special is what's behind them, rather than
what's actually done.
I'm not sure if that paragraph makes much sense.
Within that, there's room for variation. It's a reasonable
supposition that through a large chunk of history/ pre-history it
ensured survival of both parties and of their offspring in bad times,
and that bad times were always just around the corner most people.
Cooperation. Often without thinking much about it.
Those roles are changing now because the circumstances we live in are
different. That creates considerable advantage for some men and some
women, and considerable disadvantage for some men and some women.
Well, woe is us who are at a disadvantage. There's still a lot of the
rest of life to be lived.
Yeah. I have mixed feelings about the changes. In some ways, I like
traditional roles (and I tend to fit well in them, in a sort of more
relaxed way). But I also like freedom and choice, so there are things
I like about the more relaxed roles that men and women have, and the
relationships in which the roles blend.
Still, it doesn't come without cost. With more choices come more
judgements -- of people of both sexes.
Laurie
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