Re: Ann, Laurie, and all the other women here, are rapists


On 9 May 2006 04:21:55 -0700, collection60@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

"These things are my opinions, my perspectives, my observances. Those
are not facts and I didn't present them as such."

OK. Well I'm not interested in your opinions.

You can't have an argument without opinions. You can pull up fact
after fact, but at some point you have to decide what they all mean.
Interpretation of facts is not fact. It's opinion.

Furthermore, much of what you post is opinion, too. It's inherent in
arguments.

But you're presenting your opinions as facts, and you're assuming that
I'm doing the same.

I'm interested in
anything which you think you can prove or disprove.

There's not much proving or disproving that can be done in Usenet
posts. All we can do is make our cases.

If you don't feel
you can prove something by using a combination of reason and everyday
commonly accessable experiences, then I'm not interested.

Uh, you can't prove anything, ever, with reason and everyday commonly
accessible experiences. You can only prove things with facts. Reason
is only a way of interpreting. Everyday commonly accessible
experiences are just evidence.

And I *have* been using reason and everyday commonly accessible
experiences. I've been using them to illustrate my perspectives, to
make my arguments. I'm not arrogant enough to think they constitute
factual material.

Studies are
fine as well, but not necessary, and even then the studies need to be
verifyable using everyday experience and reason.

Studies, while they can be flawed, are probably better than reason and
everyday commonly accessible experiences. We use reason to interpret
what the study data mean. (And that reason can differ depending on
one's perspectives.(

Can you try to answer my questions exactly?

1) Do you realise that if they were healthy, those arguments would not
break up a relationship leaving a very nasty feeling afterwards?

It depends on what "those arguments" are. I pointed out that an
argument that ends a relationship is not necessarily the only thing
that went into the ending of that relationship.

And what is this "if they were healthy" part? Is that about the
relationships or the arguments? If the former, that's the point I was
making. If a relationship is unhealthy, a minor argument could be the
final straw.

On the other hand, if someone is looking to break up with another
person, they might start an argument to do it. There are all sorts of
arguments that can occur in relationships, and they can be one-sided
or two-sided.

You're taking a faceted subject and trying to put it in one box. It
doesn't fit.

2) If psychological abuse never occurs during the arguments that cause
breaksup, then when DOES it occur in real life interactions?

I didn't say it never occurs. I'm saying that it doesn't necessarily
occur.

"You, on the other hand, ARE presenting speculation, belief, theory,
etc., as fact. Proof, you call it. "

Those are your opinions.

No, they're not. You point to X and you say it means Y. You believe
it. You can't prove it. It's all subjective.

You can't prove that what someone else says is
an opinion and not fact, without resorting to using proof yourself.
What I say I have proved, and unless you are willing to speak in the
language of proof, you cannot disprove it or even prove that it is just
an opinion.

If you have "proved" what you say, you should be able to point to
irrefutable evidence. I think you confuse "proof" with "show." Don't
you notice that people say that "studies show X," not that they
*prove* X?

We can prove that we have fingers by putting them in front of our
faces. We can't necessarily prove that we have a broken finger without
an X-ray (assuming the bone is not sticking out of the skin, of
course).

Laurie

The only thing you are proving is that you are opinionated and
unreasonable.

Of course I'm opinionated. What the hell would I be doing posting on a
discussion group if I wasn't?

As far as unreasonable ... I love reason. Emotion interferes with
reason. You seem to be driven by emotion, which flaws your reason.
People who refer to "stupid evil females" are letting emotion cloud
their reason. I don't think of either sex as anything bad in any way.
People are bad, good, or somewhere in between, regardless of their
sex. There are tendencies among men and women, and more specific
tendencies among pockets of men and women, and to think of the sexes
as polarized Borg-like beings is a waste of people.

Laurie
.

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