Re: 9/11 Truth: Ready for Mainstream! NYC - 9/8 & 9/9

In article <13no07bif1kpu43@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Jeff Morgan <nope@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
nospam wrote:


Nobody with any relevant expertise in aviation or civil engineering
is using that expertise to explain how something is wrong in the
"standard story" in any way that makes sense to others with relevant
expertise.

Nobody in the "Truth Movement" is speaking within their area of
expertise unless it's a theologian speaking about "belief". Most of
the people listed by the "Truth Movement' as having technical
expertise turn out to have exaggerated their resumes when checked.


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>9/11: Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko on WTC #7
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T3_mmGvfQQ

That's a 2 minute Jowenko clip. In the full interview it becomes clear
that Jowenko didn't know that WTC7 was on massive fire for 7 hours
before it collapsed and that the NY Firemen (100 of them) all said it
was going to fall because fo fire. (FDNY names and full text quotes
provided on request). The "Truth Movement" would die without
out-of-context quotes.

In this video, he says (in English subtitles) specifically, WTC 1 and
2 WERE NOT demolition jobs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&mode=related&search=

Here's an interview in which Jowenko says that WTTC7 could only fallen
as it did with massive preperation in advance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QajDxF9uEf4&mode=related&search=

This video shows demolitions and preperation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnqHLoa-ml8

So we know of no demolition experts that say that man-made explosives
caused WTC7 or any other tower to collapse.



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>First responders radio communications at ground zero (and
>observations)
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXD3bAbZCow
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"explosion" is a good word for "loud noise" Name one of those firemen
and we can look at their entire transcript and find that none of them
say that they saw man-made explosives in use on 9/11. I've checked
countless names and they all don't say what Twoofers think they say.

At the bottom of this post there is a list and YouTube videos of
things in office buldings that explode in fires. You'd be suprised.

No explosion heard on 9/11 at WTC was loud enough to be consistant
with mand-made demolition. None. Zip. The 1993 bombings was about
1,000 pounds of TNT and heard over the entire 16 acre complex yet not
big enough to do ANY structtural damage to the tower in was
in. Nothing like that was heard on 9/11 prior to a collapse.

Just one 10 second video of a loud crack preceeding some collapse
(adjusted for time delay due to distance) would prove me wrong. No
such video exists. There is many hundreds of hours of WTC video
available to researchers.


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>>>There are no eyewitnesses to "molten metal" on the pile at WTC. All
>>>the stories turn out to be second-hand when researched.
>>>

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>Molten steel
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X5F5PttzJY&feature=related

Nobody in that video says "I saw....". It's another Twoofer editing
job. I have the video on order and I suspect that when I see the
entire segment, he is saying he heard it second-hand.

Fireman Philip Ruvolo, speaking, isn't in the transcripts of firemen
at WTC on 9/11 and may not have been there. We'll find out.

So far, no person named as saying they saw molten steel first-hand.
has checkled out, when asked. It's all second hand.

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>>>There are no eyewitnesses that say they saw evidence of man-made
>>>explosives at WTC. "explosion" is just a good word for "loud noise".
>>>Nobody heard explosions as loud as the 1993 bombing consistent with
>>>the video of the collapse. Thermite takes minutes to operate and
>>>produces voluminous white light, white smoke and slag. Nobody saw
>>>light and smoke prior to the collapse. Nobody found the slag,
>>>afterwords.
>>>
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>An EMT at ground zero witnessed a chain of mini explosions in building
>6 lobby. She also witnessed cars blowing up without apparent cause.

Name him. I think I know who you are referring to. He has said all
sorts of things since, but what it comes down to is that by 5PM,
everyone knew that WTC7 was about to collapse and word was going out
on the police and fire radios to run away. Those transmissions are
reecordeed and we have no audio of the alleged 3..2..1. countdown.
Nobody else reports hearing it, either.

The "Truth Movement" would have died long ago if people provided
citations and read them instead of believing claims that start with
"An EMT at ground zero witnessed ...."

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>I am forced to believe you are either:
>
>1) a troll
>2) stupid
>3) paid shill
>4) any combination of items 1 thru 3
>


Even if 1, 2, 3 are true, it doesn't make the citations I've provided
wrong or that the "Truth Movement" does it's damndest to hide the fact
that there is massive public record available for all to see that
shows the Twoofer claims as the bullshit they are.


------------------- Things that go boom in bulding fires ------------------


Big Beam breaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uo0C01Fwb8

"The Scott cylinders and the oxygen cylinders were all letting
go. They were blowing up left and right."
FDNY Firefighter Todd Heaney (FDNY oral testimony transcripts)
(Scott cylinders are the air bottles firemen carry.)

Backdraft explosion paint shop
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2178600570591048350
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1_u-eAq5QU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkNCqrJiXsU

Fire Dept practice mistake
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3326847714607168493

Smoke explosion
http://www.indygov.org/eGov/City/DPS/IFD/PR/2005/20050114a.htm


Aerosol can explosions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43tM1zPvJTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOYaXBRnd_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj2qC12GViQ


Exploding ammunition

Statement of David Lim ....Ladder Co #43 assisted us out of the
wreckage. We crossed the debris field first towards Vesey
St. (north) & then after being turned back by fire & exploding
ammunition (US Customs House #6 WTC) we went west towards West. St.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing1/witness_lim.htm


AT&T: Defect Caused VRAD Explosion http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=132335

Electrical explosions - pop pop pop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu7G348rPIw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vrItlQa43k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrlL6Uji_NM
http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electric-Transformer-Explosion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8756447341495312394

Manhattan steam explosion, July 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yc6IVZ2chY
New York Explosion Causes Injuries, Disrupts Commute (Update3)

Spray can (2:35)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwvgfQHpJYU


--- Explosions in a steel bulding fire (Not WTC)

"As Engine 15 turned up Liberty street Captain John Kahl could see
light smoke from the top floor of the Hurst Building. Captain Kahl
did not think he had much of a fire so he went to check the
automatic alarm box. The box indicated that there was fire in the
basement, so Captain Kahl had his crew force entry threw a glass
door on the German street side and entered the building with a 3/4
inch chemical line and 2 1/2 hand line. As the crew was standing on
the stairs to the basement they could see the fire rolling across
the ceiling towards the elevator shaft. It was not long after
Captain Kahl entered the building when a smoke explosion occurred in
the elevator shaft. The explosion was powerful enough to blow off
the roof , break several windows and also throw large embers across
the street into the broken windows of several buildings. All the
firefighters escaped with out injury"

What you have just read describeds what firemen call a smoke explosion
at a fire in Boston. This phenomenon occurs when a fire creates a
pocket of hot explosive gas in an enclosed area. The gas comes from
material in the area of the fire that is heated to the point of giving
off gas, but the area is not hot enough for spontaneous combustion to
occure. All it takes is a spark or the inrush of oxygen rich air to
make the gas ignite. Its similar to a backdraft but in a backdraft the
gas has space to expand and burn, in a smoke explosion the enclosed
space make the effect more explosive in nature.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2819408&postcount=477

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Title: A BUILDING FIRE AND STRUCTURAL FAILURE (Steel buildings DO collapse because of fire)
Source: mutualbox.com
URL Source: http://www.mutualbox.com/a_building_fire_and_structural_f.htm
Published: Jul 6, 2006
Author: mutualbox.com
Post Date: 2006-07-06 15:54:21 by barf alert
16 Comments

When you enter a lightweight steel bar joist building on fire and you
hear popping, cracking, creaking and metal to metal rubbing together,
get out, the trusses are failing. It is not safe to enter for any
reason. At 205 West Jefferson Street Captain Patterson, Engine 108,
the first engine on the scene reported hearing popping sounds,
cracking sounds and things that just did not sound right. After moving
in about twenty feet attacking the fire, he wisely evacuated the
building. The roof collapsed shortly after they evacuated. All of
these sounds were steel I beams and trusses failing. At a recent
warehouse fire in Prince George.s County MD companies were operating
on the interior of the lightweight steel bar joist building. When
Volunteer Chief 33, Ricky Riley, arrived on the scene and radioed his
engine crew, he asked them, "what do you hear, do you hear anything",
the response from the company officer was "yes, there are popping
sounds" He ordered all interior companies to evacuate the
building. The roof collapsed approximetley ten minutes after
evacuation. Again, the sounds were the roof trusses failing.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=148816

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