Re: The real reason swift boaters dislike Kerry

T-Bone wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> > T-Bone wrote:
> > > Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> > >>T-Bone wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>No, what angered the Swiftboat guys and most other military veterans is
> > >>>that he lied about them. He lied about them for political gain. Just
> > >>>as he lied about our soldiers today.
> > >>
> > >>Right. The military committed atrocities in Vietnam, get over
> > >>it.
> > >
> > > I'm sure they did, but Kerry came out and said that his guys
> > > specifically did it (all of them say they did not) and then Kerry said
> > > that *he* was a participant, then backed off of that one real quick.
> > > He's lying and cannot remember from one lie to the next.
> >
> > Thirty years later they deny it for political reasons, though
> > some did so for political reasons from the start. There's much
> > more incentive to deny it than to have made it up in the first
> > place. But we never saw any real investigations into who was
> > committing war crimes thirty-five years ago. Wonder why.
> >
> > >>>Kerry abandoned his military brothers because he thought it was the
> > >>>quickest way to power.
> > >>
> > >>Sure. Nothing like 30 years toiling to "power."
> > >
> > > Key phrase being *he thought*, he's not particularly smart ya know...
> >
> > You're not particularly good at mindreading, either, ya know.
>
> No I'm not good mindreading; but when the mind I'm reading is the mind
> reader's equivalent of "Green Eggs and Ham" I don't need to be.
> >
> > >>> I stood out in front of the White House and
> > >>>made big show by throwing the medals or ribbons or whatever his story
> > >>>is this week. Then some thirty years later he magically has the medals
> > >>>*and* ribbons ready to shove in anyone's face. He only claimed "war
> > >>>hero" status because he thought that would elevate him in the eyes of
> > >>>the public.
> > >>
> > >>Garbage.
> > >
> > > Insults in lieu of debate, your surrender is noted.
> >
> > Shall we explain this once again for the terminally dimwitted?
> > A friend asked him to throw the friend's medals over the fence
> > and he complied.
>
> And why did the friend not do it himself? And why did Kerry say they
> were his? I doubt Kerry even knows the truth at this point.
>
> >
> > >>>The Swiftboat Vets did not take it lying down, they called him out on
> > >>>his past and held him accountable.
> > >>
> > >>They were just lying, not lying down. Conservatroid fantasies
> > >>about war and Vietnam flying in the face of documented war
> > >>crimes.
> > >
> > > It's just a matter of Kerry's word against twenty some odd other
> > > people.
> >
> > Twenty very odd people with a political axe to gring and getting
> > paid by the Bush campaign.
>
> Part of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" no doubt. Here's the truth of
> the matter. A big part of the 2004 campaign was spent scrutinizing
> both candidates' military records. One side made accusations about
> Bush's record and used forged documents to support it.

No, not one side but one person.

> The other side
> made accusations about Kerry's record and managed to come up with
> several, several eye-witnesses to back the story up. You can say that
> Kerry's critics were lying all you want, but you can't prove it; you
> can say they were paid, bitter, whatever it still does not make it
> true.

Fact: The vast majority of those that served on swift boats did not
come
out against Kerry.

> I can safely (beyond a shadow of a doubt) say that Bush's
> critics were lying because there is hard evidence (the forgery) that
> they were lying.

You are basing everything on one document that was revealed only
a few weeks before the election. Much of what was in
that document had already been substantiated by others. The fact
is no one in Bush's guard unit in Montgomery could account for Bush.
Bush was UA and that has never been disputed by Bush or anyone
else. That isn't one persons word against another, those are the
facts.

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