Re: Asslifters = Personas non grata in the Land Down Under

docremington wrote:
Mathias Donien wrote:
docremington wrote:
Mathias Donien wrote:
TUKA wrote: 
Excuse me? You mean that I can or should be able to set up my own set of
laws that contradict the state's laws?


Yes, absolutely. The only legitimate set of laws is that which I agree
to prior any business takes place.


Then the sharia-thumpers may find it convincing enough to leave
Australia for sharia places, no doubt, enlightened.

Who can rightfully order them to do so?

The owner of the place, naturally.

Right. But any so-called government is not the owner (unless it is "public property" but that is just a tiny part of the land).

... 
Therefore people who frame a law or
a rule need to come to a consensus.


Sharia-thumpers did not participate, to the extent of my knowledge,
either in forming of the country, or its legal base.

I do not see why this is of any relevance.

Maybe that is why Germany is Germany and not Bahrein? 

If some people use different laws only for themselves it does not bother me.

You can set the rules on your
own piece of land.

That is why there exists a sharia-thumping Saudi Arabia.

They have the same problem like almost everywhere: A "government" who illegitimately tells others what to do or not to do.

Another one may set different rules on their own
property.

That is why Germany does not thump sharia.

There exist parallel societies in Germany (very despised by many politicians and citizens). But as long as they stick to the principle of not initiating aggression I have no problem with that.

Anybody who claims to be "the government" cannot do this
legitimately.

Happens anywhere. 

Sure they claim it and enforce it but that doesn't make it legitimate.

In particular, apostasy is an abomination. That prohibits freedom of religion.
And you think it should be allowed in Australia. Geesh.

Only for those who apply that to themselves and leave others out of it. 

Muslim killing of, or otherwise inflicting bodily damage on muslim
apostates is OK then.


Only if they voluntarily agreed to such terms. Anything else would be a
crime.


And who decides whether it is a crime or not? Haven't we just
delegitimized "the government"?

Have you ever heard about natural law? Everybody knows that initiating aggression against an individual (by use of force or fraud) is a crime, regardless of age or cultural background.

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