Re: USS Liberty Challenge/Reward

hoover@xxxxxxx wrote:
> "We knew the location of certain Soviet forces in the area. Certainly
> the initial reaction, having known their location, would be to attack
> those forces. Within an hour or 45 minutes, however we concluded that a
> Soviet attack was unlikely."
>
> Huh...uhh I doubt highly that Mcnamra talked to anybody about attacking any
> Soviet Forces

<start>
We examined the situation. My first reaction -- that is the question I
immediately posed to the Chiefs and the Joint Staff was: Is it not
likely it was attacked by Soviet forces?
<end>

That's McNamara's own words. prior to the earlier posted statement.

> or inform this commitee or any other that the isrealis
> intended to do so.

Naturally, since there was no foreknowledge ...

> As that would be totaly insane.

As is the claim that the US knew before hand that Israel was going to
attack the ship.

As stated, once again to Congress:

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At the time of transmission of JCS message 080110Z June 1967, there was
nothing to indicate hostile action would be taken against the Liberty
by any country. The repositioning of the Liberty was taken as a matter
of prudence to insure conformance with instructions to other Sixth
Fleet ships in the area. Had there been reason to anticipate actual
danger to the Liberty, the command and control communications channels
would have been used to pass emergency instructions directly to the
ship within minutes.
<end>

April 8, 1968 hearings

> This atack was monitored by other us Forces in the area.

_Reaction_ to the attack, as reported by Liberty herself, and passed up
the chain were "monitored by other US forces in the area."

<start>
[081335Z]

FM DIRNAVSECGRUEUR

TO DIRNAVSECGRU

INFO DIRNSA

ZEM

C O N F I D E N T I A L COMINT CHANNELS

QUOTE

1. FOLLOWING QUOTED FOR YOUR INFO:

FM: CTU 60.2.9

TO: CINCUSNAVEUR

INFO COMSIXTHFLT//CTG 60.2//CTF 60

FOLLOWING RECEIVED FROM US(N)S LIBERTY THREE NIDENTFIED GUNBOATS

APPROACHING OUR POSITION NOW. UNQUOTE

C FT 1591335 DTG 081335Z
<end>

>The attack was
> from Air and torpedo boats. Obviously that would not be the Soviets.

Ah, the new _first_ reported news to Washington was that the ship had
been _torpedoed_.

<start>
1. At 080911 EDT June, USCINCEUR notified the NMCC by phone that the
LIBERTY was under attack, had been hit by a torpedo and was listing to
starboard. ...
<end>

NMCC memo for the record, 8 June 1967

Don't confuse what becomes later info with what _first_ reactions
happened to be.

>The
> idea this ship was mis identified doesnt jive based on the physical look of
> the ship and also based on the fact that this attack occured for approx 75
> minutes. not to mention the men whom experinced it.

The ship, according to sworn testimony of crewmen, was not under attack
for "approx. 75 minutes." There were two, separate and rather short
attacks.

In addition if a military force isn't trained to fight other maritime
powers besides its immediate neighbors, then they are not going to know
the specifics of each and every ship of every other navy in the world.

The lead IAF pilot after all reported that he thought this ship he
spotted was some type of patrol ship.

> In my local area there was a library dedicated to this ship and there was
> aoffical orders from the Great Lakes Naval Traing Center Commander that
> nobody should attend the cermony.

Perhaps. But you left out that the Grafton library was a
private-funded project. You also left out the Grob brothers,
contributed the most money to the library-building project and their
political beliefs.

> Apprehntly there was order that no active
> duty navy participate and then no gov represnteive attened.

Apparently? Anyone ever see these orders? But more to the point, it
was a private-funded project.

> The local
> commiunity was outrged and many naval serivcemen attended and expressed
> there outrage at the orders.

So? Apparently if there were such orders in the first place they
weren't obeyed ...

.

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