Re: Should the United States implement a more inclusive, publicly funded health care system?


"Herman Rubin" <hrubin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 2011-11-09, George Conklin <nilknocgeo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Herman Rubin" <hrubin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I disagree. Universally available adequate health care, according
to my view of adequate, is impossible. I favor the market to
decide.

You ignore he evidence of all the other industrialized nations which have
better results and universal health care. Ideology cannot replace facts,
Herman. Faith is not a substitute for results.

I do not ignore what they have done; I have pointed out why we
cannot say that the results are better. One item of interest;
the US definition of infant fatality includes births which are
excluded by others.


That old lie has been disproven so many times I'm sorry you keep saying it.



I have also pointed out that our miseducational
system is geared to require high doctor's fees. In most of the
rest of the world, higher education is only for the mentally able,
and is therefore much cheaper, while we waste our money on those
who should not even have graduated elementary school.

That has nothing to do with those who go to med school and why we have
to import 25% of our physicians from other nations because of artifical
limits on enrollment here.



As for the so-called market in medicine, there is NO market. Entrance
into
the medical business is so strictly regulated prices are administered by
fiat.

The market is highly flawed, but it is there.


There is no market Herman. Prices are administered.


If anything is
hindering the market, it is the government and the insurance
companies, which strongly interfere with competitive rates.

Get rid of the anti-insurance approach, which interferes with
both the market approach and with the availability of true
insurance; this is one place where the only meaningful insurance
is the long-range type. Much of the current "insurance" has
nothing to do with the real purpose, and Medicare is tax-supported
socialist medicine, not the insurance it was advertised to be.

Get the bureaucrats out of deciding for people.


Deciding what Herman? To make care universal? As a state-employee, how
can you say that?




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