Re: Too Much Medicare "Care" Again


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That is not what mainline science has shown. HRT
was
harmful,
period.

HRT had immediate benefits.

..................

You are the fool. If any advantage were large, it would
have
been
established years ago.

You keep playing the fool. I could just as easily (and as
baselessly)
say
the converse.

It is truly pitiful that surgical procedures have been in use
for
100
years before there is a true scientific evaluation. This is
just
plan
criminal.

Some surgical procedures have been in use for thousands of
years. Do you think that amputations started only 100
years ago?

I was speaking specifically of prostate surgery.

The current gold standard for prostatectomy is an open radical
retropubic
prostatectomy. As it is done today, it's only a few decades old,
having
undergone a huge revision at that time. The newest method -
robotic -
is
still in its infancy.

So? If you change the lighting in the OR, does that change cancer
cure
rates too?

your above comment about it being around for a 100 years just isn't
true...
not its current state. Yes, the change in technique a few decades had
DRAMATIC changes with better success, lymph node sampling, less blood
loss,
preservation of urine control and erectile dysfunction (still
evolving),
etc.

PSA screening has only been around since the 1990's
and thus the prostate cancer we're operating now is generally less
advanced
than it was before then, when patients often presented with
metastatic
and
thus inoperable disease - or locally advanced disease. We really
are
in
a
new era of prostate surgery.

Stage can be and has been controlled for in research. Who are you
trying
to confuse? Yourself?

No, George, it hasn't. The vast majority of cancers treated today are
stage
T1c. Before PSA came out in the 1990's THERE WAS NO SUCH STAGE AS T1C.
You
can't contol for it.

In short, you are trying to say that no evaluation of your cash cow

My two biggest money makers are cystoscopies and TRUS biopsies. By far.
Neither are done in the operating room.


The biopsy leads to the OR, right?


is
ever going to be done because you keep changing the definitions and this
will go on forever. Money first. Results? Who cares? We do, but you
rely
on faith-based outcomes.

I merely pointed out that you lied. There is no way to control for a new
stage of cancer that didn't exist 15 years ago and now accounts for 90% of
diagnosed prostate cancer.


Not the issue now is it? Surgery has been going on for over 100 years
and none of it scientifically evaluated even controlling for stage. And now
what? Next there will another change, and then you will say that that
cannot be evaluated. It never ends. Well, PIVOT is out there and I am sure
you will discount whatever it finds, unless it finds what you want. Like
HRT, right?


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