Re: Antibiotic Rights


"~Rita" <deuman04@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Skeptic" <bcs002b@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "~Rita" <deuman04@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > I'm not looking for free antibiotics. I would like the right to
>> > purchase
>> > the antibiotics of my choice!
>> > Bleomycin, Doxorubicin, streptomycin and a few others, along with the
>> > BCG tuberculosis vaccine, which I asked for several years ago.
>>
>> You have not answered the question - should you and other non-medical
>> American citizens be allowed to purchase such medications as bleomycin
>> without medical approval?
>> This is a yes or no question.

> The answer would be YES.
> Hubby should have had the right to request an antitumor antibiotic.

He did have the right. As an American, you can request it. You can request
a trip to the moon in hope that zero gravity will cause cancer regression.
But NASA will say no.


>> > Are you saying that the USA medical society has informed other
>> > countries
>> > medical societies that Bleomycin and Doxorubicin are not antibiotics?
>
>> bleomycin is use for cancer (squamous cell, melanoma, sarcoma, hodgkin's
> and
>> non-H, and very commonly for testicular cancer). It may also be approved
>> for use as a sclerosing agent in malignant pleural effusions. I believe
>> some people use it topically to help with refractory warts. It is NOT
>>used to combat infections. Similar response for doxorubicin.
>>
>> Do you still think they should be used to treat the common cold or
>> cellulitis???

> No, and I never used the words "Common cold".

What do you think is behind a cold? A virus. You think doxorubicin is an
antiviral. Add 2 + 2.

> When a tumor is present, an antitumor antibiotic should be used,
> regardless
> of whether it's also used for cancer.

You're confused with your terminology, which is why you'd be so dangerous if
self prescribing.

Allow me to clarify for you:
There are ANTIBIOTICS - these are used to refer to medicines that kill
bacteria
There are ANTIVIRALS - self explanatory
There are CHEMOTHERAPEUTICS - used to kill or slow cancer

The terminology "antitumor antibiotic" has no practical meaning or use in
medicine.

If your husband had hodgkin's then he should have been treated with
chemotherapy, not antibiotics.

If he had cellulitis he should have been treated with antibiotics and not
chemotherapy.

The two are NOT interchangeable no matter how hard you will try to make them
that way.

Self prescribing chemotherapy, as in for hodgkins or any other cancer, is a
shortcut to killing yourself - or your husband.

>> > I've said that the USA lost the Cold War.

Which is not only no relevant but quite wrong.

> I believe that Hodgkin's disease is caused by both viral and bacterial.
> Hubby's looked as if his was caused by bacterial.

You can believe that martians pull your ass hairs out every night. But they
don't. Nor was your husband's cancer caused by a bacterial infection.
Period. If someone hit you in the head with a sledgehammer, the
sledgehammer would lose.

> The USA medical society does NOT permit a simple fix.

Unfortunately, there often is not one. Cancer is an unfortunate condition
and often a terminal diagnosis.

> Hubby had to go
> to several doctors and specialist and also be hospitalized many times.

Because treating cancer patients with chemotherapy is too advanced for a
primary care doctor - it requires training beyond college, beyond medical
school, and beyond residency. It requires additional training - a
fellowship - because it is difficult, needs to be tailored for each patient,
and has side effects that can readily kill a patient.

Be thankful you don't get chemotherapy on your first random visit to a
general practioner.

> Second: The game is that a doctor has to state cancer before a treatment
> mode is prescribed.

That's a game? Sounds like common sense to me.

> Third: You have to hope that a good antibiotic will also come with the
> other
> chemotherapy drugs that you get.

Absolutely false and quite unclear in meaning. Many many people get chemo
and never need antibiotics.

> The American Heart Associations, and all the US Cardiologists recommended
> that the antibiotic Gentamicin Sulfate be placed on a 6-week protocol,
> knowing that the Gentamicin would drug overdose half-way through the
> recommendation.
>
> That's ROTTEN! I feel that should have been called a death sentence not a
> treatment! Where's the Humanity?

Probably the same place as your proof for you above statements.

>> > Why do I feel that an antitumor antibiotic should be used before the
>> > tumor turns the tissue malignant?
>>
>> What tissue? Bone? Skin? What kind of malignancy? Lung? Testis?
>
> A tumor that appears on neck, chest, colon, breast and any of my body
> parts.
> I would want to use an antitumor antibiotics, before I used any USA
> medical recommendations!

Do mean an antibiotic OR a chemotherapeutic? Your posts have no meaning
when you can't clarify one from the other. I've told you this repeatedly,
but you don't seem to want to listen. There's a big difference of an
antibiotic, like gentamicn, vs a chemotherapy drug, like bleomycin. Get it?

>> Do you think these things just go ahead and work with all cancers? They
>> don't. Just like some some antibiotics work well with some infections
>> and
>> not others, some chemotherapeutics work with some cancers and not at all
>> with others.
>
> I would rather have the antibiotics of my choice.

Too bad. You'll get the ones that work based on the particular condition.
That's for your own good as well as the good of society.

If someone comes to a clinic with TB - they'll get treated. If they
"choose" ampicillin for their treatment they WILL NOT get that treatment,
because that is NOT what works, that patient will get sicker and quite
possibly pass his TB on to others.

Understand?

>> > The hematologist chuckled while saying, "You have to be a homosexual to
>> > get that!"
>
>> I think you're probably lying again.
>
> The hematologist really said that.

I think you lied again.

> Since the hematologist was looking for
> a new disease, I believe that AIDS was also caused by both
> bacterial infection and viral.

AIDS is caused by the HIV ---- VIRUS, not bacteria. Period. End of
discussion.

>> > About 5 or 6 years after Hubby's 1983 cancer, his cousin died of AIDS.
>> > I feel that the cousin should have also had the right to the antitumor
>> > antibiotics. A dog gets better medical treatment!
>>
>> Chemotherapy does not cure AIDS/HIV. There are plenty of exciting new
>> medications out there that keep the disease at bay for long periods of
> time
>> as well as a significant amount of work being done daily to create a
>> vaccine. Chemotherapy just isn't the answer.
>
> The AIDS diagnose used to have a survival rate of 0
> What is it now?

At what point after diagnosis? 6 weeks, 6 months? 5 years?

>> > Since there are many antibiotics, I'll call it an antibiotic umbrella,
> and
>> > place it in the left hand. I believe that antibiotics are germs
>> > fighting
>> > germs, similar to people-fighting people, meaning that it's a natural
>> > instinct.
>>
>> They're not germs.

> What are they called?

You posted, above,
"I believe that antibiotics are germs"

I reiterate - antibiotics are not gerrms. What are they? They are
antibiotics - medicines to kill bacteria.

>> >There's
>> > nothing wrong about using antibiotics with chemotherapy drugs.
>>
>> Of course not. Many people on chemotherapy require antibiotics because
>> of
>> the immune lowering effect.
>>
>> > I see NO
>> > humanity when the antibiotic is totally removed from the antibiotic
>> > umbrella, and NOT to be used until the tissue turned malignant.
>> > Antibiotics were not designed for that!
>>
>> Nor are they useful for it. Nor are they useful for treating
> pre-cancerous
>> lesions. They're used for infections, which is quite a different thing
> from
>> cancer.

So you agree here? You retract your previous position?

>> > Because of the 1908 BCG vaccine, I believe that there were health
>> > saboteurs
>> > living in the USA prior to WW1. The Health Saboteurs were extremely
>> > successful at the boycott of a Tuberculosis vaccine
>>
>> Do you know WHY the BCG vaccine has never been used in this country? Do
> you
>> have remote idea? Do you think it should be? Before you answer that
>> question you would first want to look up the following things:
>> - risk of acquiring TB *in* the US
>> - risk of death from TB that is acquired in the US
>> - overall effectiveness of the BCG vaccine at preventing TB
>> - longevity of vaccine
>> - number of complications from the vaccine

I'll take that lack of response to mean you have no idea.

>> I am a health professional and have not had my BCG vaccine.
>>
>> > and taxpayer money was
>> > never used to look for a US vaccine.
>>
>> It's been looked at and studied. Just because you don't that doesn't
>> mean
>> it hasn't happened.

Hm... no response.

>> > The tuberculosis bacterial-family was
>> > known as the #1 disease killer in the USA. The USA people were taught
>> > to
>> > learn to accept the premature deaths caused by the tuberculosis
>> >bacterial infections that attacked every part of the human body.
>> >Again what kind of Humanity was that!
>>
>> Yes, TB was pretty bad. You know what though? It was pretty bad in
>> countries that used vaccines too.
>
> I have not heard of a Tuberculosis test done since 1982.

What do you mean by "TB test"? People are tested for TB every single day in
this country. I'm tested once a year.

> I'm under the
> impression that the TB test is infrequently done.

To repeat, I've been tested every year for years and years. Quite a common
test. You just aren't well informed.

> When I worked at a grocery
> store in 2001, I had to take a physical. While I was there, I asked when
> the
> last time anyone had a TB test. The reply was that doctor or the Health
> Department did the test anymore.

Well, now you know better.

> No one at the store knew that a
> Tuberculosis vaccine was ever discovered.

<sarcasm>
Wow... grocery store clerks didn't know the details of a BCG vaccine for TB?
That is shocking.
</sarcasm>

>> > Now a century later, the Heart disease and Cancer are fighting for
>> > first
>> > place, while Lung disease holds third. I believe that bacterial
>> > infections are there in each one playing a very important part.
>>
>> So based on your "thought" with no medical science whatsoever, you think
>> that we should treat cancer with antibiotics to kill bacterial infections

No further insights here?

>> > I found it interesting that Doxorubicin had a second name called
>> > Adriamycin.
>>
>> doxorubicin is with a small "d" and Adriamycin is with a big "A"
>
> There are two different antibiotics named Adriamycin.

No, there are not. Adriamycin is the brand name for doxorubicin. A couple
of days ago you didn't even know doxorubicin had another name - now you're
an expert?

>> You should educate yourself on this topic at some point.

> Thank you for your advice.

You should try following it. Repeating your uneducated rants is foolishness
defined.


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