Re: Antibiotic Rights


"Skeptic" <bcs002b@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>
> "~Rita" <deuman04@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>
> > I'm not looking for free antibiotics. I would like the right to purchase
> > the antibiotics of my choice!
> > Bleomycin, Doxorubicin, streptomycin and a few others, along with the
> > BCG tuberculosis vaccine, which I asked for several years ago.
>
> You have not answered the question - should you and other non-medical
> American citizens be allowed to purchase such medications as bleomycin
> without medical approval?
> This is a yes or no question.

In 1981, his job forced him to go to the doctors to have his neck tumor
fixed.

The answer would be YES.
Hubby should have had the right to request an antitumor antibiotic.

YES, Hubby should have had the right to walk into the doctor's office,
and the doctor tell Hubby that there were antitumor antibiotics available!
If the antitumor antibiotics were available before the human tissue turned
malignant, the neck tumor would have been fixed. An antibiotic fights the
pathogen that caused the tumor. That's why it's known as an antitumor
antibiotic. Using the Doxorubicin antibiotic, a lot of pain and suffering
could have been avoided, and 24 years of listening to blood tests lies would
have been avoided.

> > Are you saying that the USA medical society has informed other countries
> > medical societies that Bleomycin and Doxorubicin are not antibiotics?

> bleomycin is use for cancer (squamous cell, melanoma, sarcoma, hodgkin's
and
> non-H, and very commonly for testicular cancer). It may also be approved
> for use as a sclerosing agent in malignant pleural effusions. I believe
> some people use it topically to help with refractory warts. It is NOT
>used to combat infections. Similar response for doxorubicin.
>
> Do you still think they should be used to treat the common cold or
> cellulitis???
No, and I never used the words "Common cold".
When a tumor is present, an antitumor antibiotic should be used, regardless
of whether it's also used for cancer.

> > The USA does NOT want another country to discover an Adriamycin
> > mutant germ that could also be antitumor and antiviral!
>
> mutant germ? explanation please....

You had stated that you read the Adriamycin's write-up.

> >> "Anti-tumor" is the same thing as "chemotherapeutic. Other countries
can do with those drugs what they like. In this country, bleo and doxo are
> > used to treat cancer, not infections. The reason is simple - that is
how
> >they work... not to mention they're dangerous medications.
> >But that's not the issue here. The issue, Rita, is whether or
> >not you really believe that all
> >> people should be able to self prescribe medications such as bleomycin.
> >> Apparently you think it might be good for the common cold.
> >
> > I never used the word "cold".

> A cold is the result of a minor viral infection.

> > I've said that the USA lost the Cold War.

> humor scale says.... oops, didn't register. Try again another day.
Okay

> > But never the word "cold" by itself.
>
> You've said infection. You've said virus. A cold is a viral infection.

I believe that Hodgkin's disease is caused by both viral and bacterial.
Hubby's looked as if his was caused by bacterial.
> > An antitumor antibiotic should be used when a tumor is present.
>
> I thought you wanted to treat infections with chemotherapy? Now you just
> want to go back and treat cancer? Don't fall over your feet while you
> backpedal.

What do you call back peddling?

There are three subjects when I say that Hubby had two cancers and a
bacterial-produced heart disease Endocarditis. Hubby's first cancer was
called Hodgkin's disease and he was treated with chemotherapy drugs. In
order to receive the antitumor antibiotics Bleomycin and Doxorubicin, he
also had to have Nitrogen Mustard until many blood veins were destroyed.

In 1981 there were three steps that Hubby had to go through before he
received Bleomycin and Doxorubicin and Nitrogen Mustard in 1983.

First: You have to have a health problem. Hubby had a neck tumor. Yes, I
believe that a simple fix would have been an antitumor antibiotic.

The USA medical society does NOT permit a simple fix. Hubby had to go
to several doctors and specialist and also be hospitalized many times.
After Hubby was half-dead and flat on his back, he changed hospitals.

Second: The game is that a doctor has to state cancer before a treatment
mode is prescribed.

Third: You have to hope that a good antibiotic will also come with the other
chemotherapy drugs that you get. Cancer and Heart disease are fighting for
the #1 USA disease killer.

In 1983, Hubby had Hodgkin's disease the survival odds were ½ to 1%

In 1994, Hubby had Colon cancer, again a tumor that had turned malignant. He
didn't have chemotherapy or any antitumor antibiotics the survival odds were
70%. I think the survival odds were with chemotherapy. The odds are usually
given with the recommended treatment.

1996, Bacterial-produced Endocarditis the survival odds were 0 to Miracle.

The American Heart Associations, and all the US Cardiologists recommended
that the antibiotic Gentamicin Sulfate be placed on a 6-week protocol,
knowing that the Gentamicin would drug overdose half-way through the
recommendation.

That's ROTTEN! I feel that should have been called a death sentence not a
treatment! Where's the Humanity?


> > Is that part clear?
>
> It was clear to me for years, including my biochemistry and pharmacology
> classes in medical school and clear as a clinician when I sent people to
> receive such dangerous medications and ever so more clear after I've seen
> patients die as complications from a relatively small surgery because they
> had previously been given bleomycin which can badly scar the lungs making
> anesthesia quite difficult.
>
> Oh, to me it is VERY clear why these medications are not allowed to the
> average Joe... or Rita.
>
> > Why do I feel that an antitumor antibiotic should be used before the
> > tumor turns the tissue malignant?
>
> What tissue? Bone? Skin? What kind of malignancy? Lung? Testis?

A tumor that appears on neck, chest, colon, breast and any of my body parts.
I would want to use an antitumor antibiotics, before I used any USA
medical recommendations!

> Do you think these things just go ahead and work with all cancers? They
> don't. Just like some some antibiotics work well with some infections and
> not others, some chemotherapeutics work with some cancers and not at all
> with others.

I would rather have the antibiotics of my choice. I guess you had to be
watching the medical treatments that Hubby has had to really understand
why.

> > The hematologist chuckled while saying, "You have to be a homosexual to
> > get that!"

> I think you're probably lying again.

The hematologist really said that. Since the hematologist was looking for
a new disease, I believe that AIDS was also caused by both
bacterial infection and viral. A tumor also appeared with some cases.
Never did any AIDS patients receive an antitumor antibiotics.
By 1983, it appeared as if Genocide was taking place by the Medical drug
society that governed the United States antibiotics. By withholding an
antitumor/antiviral antibiotic, such as Adriamycin, the people in the Gay
Society were left to die to a natural, painful germ destruction process. I
do NOT believe in Gay Marriages. I believe in humanity. I see nothing HUMAN
about NOT using an antitumor antibiotic when a tumor is present.

> > About 5 or 6 years after Hubby's 1983 cancer, his cousin died of AIDS.
> > I feel that the cousin should have also had the right to the antitumor
> > antibiotics. A dog gets better medical treatment!
>
> Chemotherapy does not cure AIDS/HIV. There are plenty of exciting new
> medications out there that keep the disease at bay for long periods of
time
> as well as a significant amount of work being done daily to create a
> vaccine. Chemotherapy just isn't the answer.

The AIDS diagnose used to have a survival rate of 0
What is it now?
>
> > Since there are many antibiotics, I'll call it an antibiotic umbrella,
and
> > place it in the left hand. I believe that antibiotics are germs fighting
> > germs, similar to people-fighting people, meaning that it's a natural
> > instinct.
>
> They're not germs.
What are they called?

> > The right hand will then hold an umbrella called chemotherapy drugs.
Under the chemotherapy drug umbrella is the BCG tuberculosis vaccine
discovered about 1908, and never used in the United States of America (USA).
>
> Incorrect. BCG's original intent was as a vaccine. It is a minimally
> effective vaccine even in countries where it is used regularly. It has
been
> used to treat some cancers here in the USA, such as bladder caner. It
> works, however, by merely creating and inflammatory response and not by
> directly killing tumor cells. BCG is not an antibiotic.
I called the BCG a vaccine. What is incorrect?
>
> >There's
> > nothing wrong about using antibiotics with chemotherapy drugs.
>
> Of course not. Many people on chemotherapy require antibiotics because of
> the immune lowering effect.
>
> > I see NO
> > humanity when the antibiotic is totally removed from the antibiotic
> > umbrella, and NOT to be used until the tissue turned malignant.
> > Antibiotics were not designed for that!
>
> Nor are they useful for it. Nor are they useful for treating
pre-cancerous
> lesions. They're used for infections, which is quite a different thing
from
> cancer.
>
> > Because of the 1908 BCG vaccine, I believe that there were health
> > saboteurs
> > living in the USA prior to WW1. The Health Saboteurs were extremely
> > successful at the boycott of a Tuberculosis vaccine
>
> Do you know WHY the BCG vaccine has never been used in this country? Do
you
> have remote idea? Do you think it should be? Before you answer that
> question you would first want to look up the following things:
> - risk of acquiring TB *in* the US
> - risk of death from TB that is acquired in the US
> - overall effectiveness of the BCG vaccine at preventing TB
> - longevity of vaccine
> - number of complications from the vaccine
>
> I am a health professional and have not had my BCG vaccine.
>
> > and taxpayer money was
> > never used to look for a US vaccine.
>
> It's been looked at and studied. Just because you don't that doesn't mean
> it hasn't happened.
>
> > The tuberculosis bacterial-family was
> > known as the #1 disease killer in the USA. The USA people were taught to
> > learn to accept the premature deaths caused by the tuberculosis
> >bacterial infections that attacked every part of the human body.
> >Again what kind of Humanity was that!
>
> Yes, TB was pretty bad. You know what though? It was pretty bad in
> countries that used vaccines too.

I have not heard of a Tuberculosis test done since 1982. I'm under the
impression that the TB test is infrequently done. When I worked at a grocery
store in 2001, I had to take a physical. While I was there, I asked when the
last time anyone had a TB test. The reply was that doctor or the Health
Department did the test anymore. No one at the store knew that a
Tuberculosis vaccine was ever discovered.


> > Now a century later, the Heart disease and Cancer are fighting for first
> > place, while Lung disease holds third. I believe that bacterial
> > infections are there in each one playing a very important part.
>
> So based on your "thought" with no medical science whatsoever, you think
> that we should treat cancer with antibiotics to kill bacterial infections
> that don't exist....
>
> > I found it interesting that Doxorubicin had a second name called
> > Adriamycin.
>
> doxorubicin is with a small "d" and Adriamycin is with a big "A"

There are two different antibiotics named Adriamycin.

> Do you find it interesting that ibuprofen can be called Advil? One is a
> brand name and one is a generic... just like most other drugs in this
> country.
>
> > The antibiotic was isolated from cultures of mutant streptomyces
peucetius called Streptomyces peucetius var caesius. It had a
South African patent in 1968. The antibiotic had antitumor
> >and antiviral qualities.
>
> It is not used to treat viral infections. It is used for cancer. It is
far
> too toxic for anything else. It kills people.
>
> Here's the bottom line Rita - hydrochloric acid can kill virii or
bacteria,
> as could many other caustic agents - but do you REALLY think that when
> people get sick they should wander out to their garage and inject some
> turpentine into their bloodstream?
>
> You need to use degree of good sense.
>
> > If my husband and/or I had the right to Adriamycin in 1981, Hubby's neck
> > tumor could have been treated with the antitumor antibiotics, and we
could
> > have avoided 24 years of listening to the medical society's right to lie
> > about blood test.
>
> Well now you're talking about treating a CANCER with a chemotherapeutic,
> which would be appropriate. Several lines above you stated they should be
> used for bacterial infections, which is INappropriate.
>
> You should educate yourself on this topic at some point.
Thank you for your advice.


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