Re: Antibiotic Rights


"~Rita" <deuman04@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I'm not looking for free antibiotics. I would like the right to purchase
> the antibiotics of my choice!
> Bleomycin, Doxorubicin, streptomycin and a few others, along with the
> BCG tuberculosis vaccine, which I asked for several years ago.

You have not answered the question - should you and other non-medical
American citizens be allowed to purchase such medications as bleomycin
without medical approval?

This is a yes or no question.

> Are you saying that the USA medical society has informed other countries
> medical societies that Bleomycin and Doxorubicin are not antibiotics?

bleomycin is use for cancer (squamous cell, melanoma, sarcoma, hodgkin's and
non-H, and very commonly for testicular cancer). It may also be approved
for use as a sclerosing agent in malignant pleural effusions. I believe
some people use it topically to help with refractory warts. It is NOT used
to combat infections. Similar response for doxorubicin.

Do you still think they should be used to treat the common cold or
cellulitis???

> The USA does NOT want another country to discover an Adriamycin
> mutant germ that could also be antitumor and antiviral!

mutant germ? explanation please....

>> "Anti-tumor" is the same thing as "chemotherapeutic. Other countries can
>>do with those drugs what they like. In this country, bleo and doxo are
> used
>>to treat cancer, not infections. The reason is simple - that is how they
>> work... not to mention they're dangerous medications. But that's not the
>> issue here. The issue, Rita, is whether or not you really believe that
> all
>> people should be able to self prescribe medications such as bleomycin.
>> Apparently you think it might be good for the common cold.
>
> I never used the word "cold".

A cold is the result of a minor viral infection.

> I've said that the USA lost the Cold War.

humor scale says.... oops, didn't register. Try again another day.

> But never the word "cold" by itself.

You've said infection. You've said virus. A cold is a viral infection.

> An antitumor antibiotic should be used when a tumor is present.

I thought you wanted to treat infections with chemotherapy? Now you just
want to go back and treat cancer? Don't fall over your feet while you
backpedal.

> Is that part clear?

It was clear to me for years, including my biochemistry and pharmacology
classes in medical school and clear as a clinician when I sent people to
receive such dangerous medications and ever so more clear after I've seen
patients die as complications from a relatively small surgery because they
had previously been given bleomycin which can badly scar the lungs making
anesthesia quite difficult.

Oh, to me it is VERY clear why these medications are not allowed to the
average Joe... or Rita.

> Why do I feel that an antitumor antibiotic should be used before the
> tumor turns the tissue malignant?

What tissue? Bone? Skin? What kind of malignancy? Lung? Testis?

Do you think these things just go ahead and work with all cancers? They
don't. Just like some some antibiotics work well with some infections and
not others, some chemotherapeutics work with some cancers and not at all
with others.

> The hematologist chuckled while saying, "You have to be a homosexual to
> get
> that!"

I think you're probably lying again.

> About 5 or 6 years after Hubby's 1983 cancer, his cousin died of AIDS.
> I feel that the cousin should have also had the right to the antitumor
> antibiotics. A dog gets better medical treatment!

Chemotherapy does not cure AIDS/HIV. There are plenty of exciting new
medications out there that keep the disease at bay for long periods of time
as well as a significant amount of work being done daily to create a
vaccine. Chemotherapy just isn't the answer.

> Since there are many antibiotics, I'll call it an antibiotic umbrella, and
> place it in the left hand. I believe that antibiotics are germs fighting
> germs, similar to people-fighting people, meaning that it's a natural
> instinct.

They're not germs.

> The right hand will then hold an umbrella called chemotherapy drugs. Under
> the chemotherapy drug umbrella is the BCG tuberculosis vaccine discovered
> about 1908, and never used in the United States of America (USA).

Incorrect. BCG's original intent was as a vaccine. It is a minimally
effective vaccine even in countries where it is used regularly. It has been
used to treat some cancers here in the USA, such as bladder caner. It
works, however, by merely creating and inflammatory response and not by
directly killing tumor cells. BCG is not an antibiotic.

>There's
> nothing wrong about using antibiotics with chemotherapy drugs.

Of course not. Many people on chemotherapy require antibiotics because of
the immune lowering effect.

> I see NO
> humanity when the antibiotic is totally removed from the antibiotic
> umbrella, and NOT to be used until the tissue turned malignant.
> Antibiotics were not designed for that!

Nor are they useful for it. Nor are they useful for treating pre-cancerous
lesions. They're used for infections, which is quite a different thing from
cancer.

> Because of the 1908 BCG vaccine, I believe that there were health
> saboteurs
> living in the USA prior to WW1. The Health Saboteurs were extremely
> successful at the boycott of a Tuberculosis vaccine

Do you know WHY the BCG vaccine has never been used in this country? Do you
have remote idea? Do you think it should be? Before you answer that
question you would first want to look up the following things:
- risk of acquiring TB *in* the US
- risk of death from TB that is acquired in the US
- overall effectiveness of the BCG vaccine at preventing TB
- longevity of vaccine
- number of complications from the vaccine

I am a health professional and have not had my BCG vaccine.

> and taxpayer money was
> never used to look for a US vaccine.

It's been looked at and studied. Just because you don't that doesn't mean
it hasn't happened.

> The tuberculosis bacterial-family was
> known as the #1 disease killer in the USA. The USA people were taught to
> learn to accept the premature deaths caused by the tuberculosis bacterial
> infections that attacked every part of the human body. Again what kind of
> Humanity was that!

Yes, TB was pretty bad. You know what though? It was pretty bad in
countries that used vaccines too.

> Now a century later, the Heart disease and Cancer are fighting for first
> place, while Lung disease holds third. I believe that bacterial
> infections
> are there in each one playing a very important part.

So based on your "thought" with no medical science whatsoever, you think
that we should treat cancer with antibiotics to kill bacterial infections
that don't exist....

> I found it interesting that Doxorubicin had a second name called
> Adriamycin.

doxorubicin is with a small "d" and Adriamycin is with a big "A"

Do you find it interesting that ibuprofen can be called Advil? One is a
brand name and one is a generic... just like most other drugs in this
country.

> The antibiotic was isolated from cultures of mutant streptomyces peucetius
> called Streptomyces peucetius var caesius. It had a South African patent
> in
> 1968. The antibiotic had antitumor and antiviral qualities.

It is not used to treat viral infections. It is used for cancer. It is far
too toxic for anything else. It kills people.

Here's the bottom line Rita - hydrochloric acid can kill virii or bacteria,
as could many other caustic agents - but do you REALLY think that when
people get sick they should wander out to their garage and inject some
turpentine into their bloodstream?

You need to use degree of good sense.

> If my husband and/or I had the right to Adriamycin in 1981, Hubby's neck
> tumor could have been treated with the antitumor antibiotics, and we could
> have avoided 24 years of listening to the medical society's right to lie
> about blood test.

Well now you're talking about treating a CANCER with a chemotherapeutic,
which would be appropriate. Several lines above you stated they should be
used for bacterial infections, which is INappropriate.

You should educate yourself on this topic at some point.


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