Re: How to win the war on terror.
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- Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:48:46 GMT
On 25 Aug 2006 09:16:45 -0700, anarcissie@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
James A. Donald wrote:
anarcissie@xxxxxxxxx
I have to fault the subject line here: As has been
noted many times, you cannot logically make war on a
method of war, much less win such a war.
Particularly when one recommends using terror to win it,
but, you guys know what I mean. Should have titled this
"war with radical Islam"
Maybe. One problem I have with your proposal is that,
as in the other article, it is not always clear who "we" and
"they" are. Let us say "we" is the ruling class of the
United States, or the West, or global capitalism --
something like that -- and "they" are the dissident
Muslims some of whom are engaging in terrorism,
guerrilla warfare, and other sorts of troublesome
behavior. That distinction will get us out of the morass
of trying to precisely define "terrorism" and constantly
finding "we" also practice it when it is convenient.
However, radical Islam may be only the enemy of
the moment. After all, only 25 years ago it was
an ally. Perhaps 25 years in the future it will once
again be "our" ally. The important question is, not
who is to be fought, but what the desired outcome is.
"Know thyself", and strategy will follow.
I am posting something I got in my email today. You may want to
reconsider your opinion that radical Islam was our friend 25 years
ago.
I remember calling home and telling my father I was going to war in
1979. Seemed reasonable. I was stationed in the desert in an
artillery battalion. Carter made a liar of me.
Please take the time to read the attached essay by Dr. Chong. It is
without a doubt
the most articulate and convincing writing I have read regarding the
War
in Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to his essay
and
give a fair evaluation.
I had no idea who Dr. Chong is or the source of these thoughts... so
when I receive d them, I almost deleted them - as well-written as
they
are. But then I did a "Google search" on the Doctor and found him to
be
a retired Air Force Surgeon of all things and past Commander of
Wilford
Hall Medical Center in San Antonio. So he is real, is connected to
Veterans affairs in California, and these are his thoughts. They are
worth reading and thinking about!(the same Google search will direct
you
to some of his other thought-provoking writings.)
Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA. A different spin on Iraq
war.
This WAR is f or REAL! Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired
Tuesday, July 12, 2005
To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our
country
is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know
it,
that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).
The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there
are
very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer
who realize what losing really means.
First, let's examine a few basics:
1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United
State
is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
following attacks on us:
* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.
(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581
terrorist attacks worldwide).
2. Why were we attacked?
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks
happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan,
Bush
1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or
Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or
their immediate prede cessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.
3. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.
4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.
5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that
the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under
the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that
made
no difference. You either went along with the administration or you
were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis
for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
http://www.n <http://www.n/> azis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm )
Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis,
as
the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom
heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler
kept
the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing
anyone
who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the
world
- German, Christian or any others.
Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but
kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or
anyone
else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of
no
protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful
Muslims
there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim
leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own
pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the
peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or
die?
6. So who are we at war with?
There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than
the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win
if
you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
So with that background, now to the two major questions:
1. Can we lose this war?
2. What does losing really mean?
If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions
We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound,
the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom
the
answer to the second question - What does losing mean?
It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war
means
hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our
business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can
get.
What losing really means is:
We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks
will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want
us
dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would
not
have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the
past
18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we
were neutered and submissive to them.
We would of course have no future support from other nations, for
fear
of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent
and
cannot help them.
They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It
will
be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw
its
troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed
their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they
want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.
The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that !
they
might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are
finished
too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us.
However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20%
Muslim and fading fast!
If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life
will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with
us,
if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims,
how could anyone else?
The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too
and
be likewise committed to winning at any cost.
Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.
Until we reco gnize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really
put
100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to
take
that 100% effort to win.
So, how can we lose the war?
Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That
is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their
purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war
effort If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we
continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!
Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
life and death seriousness of this situation.
President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously?
This
is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of
the
civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared
to
lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly
lose
all of them permanently.
And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of
civil
rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory
and
in fact added many more since then.
Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?
No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our
Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this
conflict
and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to
war. Get them out of your head.
Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see
us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It
is
because they just don't recognize what l osing means. Nevertheless,
that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and
weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our
cause.
Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and
media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies
best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the
treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our
military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months
ago
were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their
hands,
cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people
just
for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.
And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the
same
type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and
dragging their charred corpses thro ugh the streets of Iraq.
And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is
providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the
beheading
of American prisoners they held.
Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several
days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating"
of
some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred
corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating"
them.
Can this be for real?
The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the
Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of
comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we
are
fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous
results of losing this war, nothing can.
To bring our country to a virtual politi cal standstill over this
prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome
burned
-- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither
we,
nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say,
this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are
disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the
magnitude, of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim
terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.
Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels!
That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State,
but throughout the world.
We are the last bastion of defense.
We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That
charge
is v alid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe
that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts
and
minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied
behind
our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!
We can't!
If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not
survive,
and no other free country in the world will survive if we are
defeated.
And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that
allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom
of
the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal
status
or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single
way
that contributes to the good of the world.
This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war
or
we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of
the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history
books to be written or read.
If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the
Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach
little
by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be
fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done,
which
will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?
Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically correct piece by politically correct piece.
And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or
even
to themselves, once they are in power.
They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then
start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who
control
the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct,
about the "peaceful Muslims"?
I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the
election,
the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical
situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your
future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.
After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves,
but
our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world
Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that
include
the Politicians and media of our c ountry and the free world!
Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our
"leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that
find
fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks
through this, that we must UNITE!
If you would like to see who this fellow is go to this Air Force web
sight and look him up. http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C
.
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