Re: The People of Columbus, OH Fight To Enact Sensible Gun Laws

On Sep 29, 7:02 pm, Peter Franks <n...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 9/29/2010 3:09 PM, The Lone Weasel wrote:



On Sep 29, 3:54 pm, RD Sandman<rdsandman@comcast[remove].net>  wrote:
Peter Franks<n...@xxxxxxxx>  wrote innews:i806pb$vuu$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
september.org:
On 9/29/2010 11:23 AM, NRACLAPTRAP wrote:
Peter Franks<n...@xxxxxxxx>    wrote innews:i7vi6q$msa$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
september.org:

NO rights come from government.

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It is contended, that this article of the code, is in violation
of the constitution of the United States, and of this state.  The
clause in the constitution of the United States, that it is said
to be in violation of, is the 2d article of the amendments: "A
well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed."  O.&    W. Dig. 7.  The clause in the constitution of
this state, which it is said to violate, is the 13th section of
the bill of rights: "Every citizen shall have the right to keep
and bear arms, in the lawful defense of himself or the state." O.
&    W. Dig. 14.

The object of the clause first cited, has reference to the
perpetuation of free government, and is based on the idea, that
the people cannot be effectually oppressed and enslaved, who are
not first disarmed. The clause cited in our bill of rights, has
the same broad object in relation to the government, and in
addition thereto, secures a personal right to the citizen.  The
right of a citizen to bear arms, in the lawful defense of himself
or the state, is absolute. He does not derive it from the state
government, but directly from the sovereign convention of the
people that framed the state government.  It is one of the "high
powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and "is excepted out
of the general powers of government."  A law cannot be passed to
infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and
independent of the law-making power.

[end excerpt]

Cockrum v. State, 24 Texas 394 (1859)

Point proven!

What point?!

I don't think Weasel really has any idea what point he was trying to
make.

"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in the lawful defense of himself
or the state, is absolute. He does not derive it from the state
government, but directly from the sovereign convention of the people
that framed the state government."

The right to bear arms is granted by the "sovereign convention of the
people that framed the state government", not by gods, not by the NRA,
and not by Tony Scalia.

Do you just invent your fabrications from whole cloth for the fun of it?

Let's rip your analysis to shreds for one last time:

"The right to bear arms is granted..."

FALSE.  There is NO MENTION, nor implication, that rights are granted.

You claim your gun rights are natural rights granted by gods, isn't
that right GOOBER?

Which gods grant your gun rights?

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