Re: Feds Sentence Two Illegal Immigrants for Carrying Nearly 150 Assault Rifles Into U.S

On Jun 9, 12:31 am, Zombywoof <fishwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:35:07 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
<TopCop1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 8, 2:14 pm, Zombywoof <fishwi...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
<TopCop1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Where are "AK-47's" made, anyway?

Assault Rifle AK-47s were manufactured primarily in the former Soviet
Bloc (USSR) as well as:Albania (as the ASH-82), Bulgaria (numerous
AK-47 variants), People's Republic of China (as the Type 56), the
former German Democratic Republic {fka: East Germany} as the MPi-K
and other variants), Egypt (as the Misr Assault Rifle AKM Maadi),
Ethiopia (as the AK-63D/E and other variants), Hungary, Iraq (as the
Tabuk Assault Rifle AKM/AKMS), India, Iran, Israel (as the IMI Galil),
Finland (as the RK 62 & RK 95 TP), Nigeria (as the OBJ-006), North
Korea (as the Type 56 & Type 58), Pakistan (reverse engineered by hand
and manufactured in Pakistan's highland areas near the border of
Afghanistan), Poland (as the pmK and other variants), Romania (as the
PM md. 63  and other variants), Serbia (as the Zastava M70, M76, M77,
M92 & M21), South Africa (as the R4 Assault Rifle), Sudan (as the
MAZ), Vietnam (as the Type 56), Venezuela, and the former Yugoslavia
(as the M60, M64, M66, and M70 and variants).

You left out the U.S. as well.

AK-47 "ASSAULT RIFLES" are _/not/_ manufactured in the U.S, though.

Depending on the definition you are using for both Assault Weapon, and
manufactured, they certainly are.  I have several of them.

While you may, in fact, have "Assault WEAPONS", it is highly unlikely
you have "Assault RIFLES" in your possession; especially since you
have stated you "made¹" them in your garage.

Actually I have both, but most people really don't know the salient
difference between the two.  I also happen to own Battle Rifles and
Sub-Machine Guns as well.

They are every bit as US made as my "American" car that was assembled
in Canada out of 40% Mexican parts is.

The term "Assault Weapon" is a term contrived by gun control fanatics
in order to get the "Assault Weapon Ban of 1994" (or, more correctly:
"Title XI, Subtitle A of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement
Act of 1994") passed "in the dark of night."

I'm more then aware of what it is.  Are you aware of what SEC. 110104
of said Act required?  Do you know if the requirements of it were ever
fulfilled?

Surely you jest!?!

In the Clinton Justice Department!?!

NEVER happened!

 Oh and the exact term used in that Act was `semiautomatic
assault weapon', but more times then not the semiautomatic
part of it gets dropped off.

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's
confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic
assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to
be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for
restrictions on these weapons."
— Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

"No one should have any illusions about what was accomplished (by the
ban). Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime.
The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out
to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control."
— Washington Post editorial, September 15, 1994

"Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic, purely
symbolic move ... Its only real justification is not to reduce crime
but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in
preparation for their ultimate confiscation."
— Charles Krauthammer, The Washington Post, April 5, 1996

"We'll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily - given
the political realities - very modest. We'll have to start working
again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law
and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is
going to take time. The first problem is to slow down production and
sales. Next is to get registration. The final problem is to make
possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions)
totally illegal."
— Nelson “Pete” Shields, chairman emeritus of Handgun Control, Inc
.. (now the Brady Campaign), New Yorker Magazine,
June 26, 1976, pg. 53

The AWB inter-mingled Assault Rifles, Battle Rifles and Sub-Guns in
their Semi-Automatic form into one catch-all phrase that is not only
confusing to the general public, but misleading as well.  It fully
showed me that the drafters of the AWB had absolutely no idea at all
of what they were talking about.

"Comments by members of Congress indicate widespread confusion about
the capabilities of "assault weapons." Rep. Ronald D. Coleman (D-Tex.)
said he reversed his opposition to the ban because he wanted to "make
it harder for drug thugs and gangs to get the machine guns that
wantonly kill our police officers and children." Rep. Henry Hyde (R-
lll.), whose much-publicized switch helped rescue the ban when it
seemed headed for defeat, asked: "What's the difference between a hand
grenade and an AK-47 that can spray a crowd and kill people?"
<http://reason.com/archives/1994/07/01/weapon-assault>

My list is of known manufacturers (licensed or otherwise) of the
"ASSAULT RIFLE AK-47."

[See my admonition elsewhere in this thread]

I neither need nor what an  "admonition" from you on a subject area
that I am more then conversant on.

Since I was a BATF-licensed Title II Automatic Weapons Manufacturer
when the MGB'94 went into effect, I would say I am VERY "conversant
on" the subject.

And what makes you think I don't have a Type 7 FFL with a Class 2 SOT
(at the reduced rate for small manufacturers), and at the same time
work out of my garage?  

Well, for one thing, BATF would not renew my Manufacturer's License
because I did not have a full shop of machine tools (I contracted out
necessary machining operations),

You, OTOH, _may_ have a full machine shop in your "garage."

Secondly: a S.O.T. is _not_ "Joe Average U.S. Citizen", as I
stipulated elsewhere.

So, as I have urged all along, go with the media's terms used in the
article ("Assault RIFLES" and "INTO U.S.") and argue that these
MACHINE GUNS could not have come FROM the United States, but INTO the
United States and that these two Mexican Nationals are terrorists
attempting to arm other terrorists here in the CONUS.

Otherwise you are playing the media's and Gun Controller's "game."
<>
Urban policy agenda of President Obama

Shortly after the November 4, 2008 election, Change.gov, the website
of the office of then President-Elect Barack Obama, listed a detailed
agenda for the forthcoming administration. This includes "making the
expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent." This statement was
originally published on Barack Obama's campaign website,
BarackObama.com. When President Obama took office on January 20, 2009,
the agenda statement was moved to the administration's website,
WhiteHouse.gov, with its wording intact.

On February 25, 2009, the newly sworn-in Attorney General, Eric
Holder, repeated the Obama Administration's desire to reinstate the
Federal Assault Weapons Ban. The mention came in response to a
question, about 20 minutes into to a joint press conference with DEA
Acting Administrator Michele Leonhart, discussing efforts to crack
down on Mexican drug cartels. Attorney General Holder said: "[...]
there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make,
and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault
weapons."

However on April 16, 2009, President Obama stated that he will not
push for the reinstatement of the Assault Weapons Ban in the United
States even though he still believes that it "made sense." Obama has
proposed instead to ratify an inter-American treaty known as CIFTA
(Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and
Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related
Materials.) to curb international small arms trafficking. The treaty
makes the unauthorized manufacture and exporting of firearms illegal
and calls for nations in this hemisphere to establish a process for
information-sharing among different countries' law enforcement
divisions to stop the smuggling of arms, to adopt strict licensing
requirements, and to make firearms easier to trace.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban>

I feel this "story" is a contrived effort to get the CIFTA treaty
signed and passed.

YMMV.
.

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