Re: felons?

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How many people think felons should be allowed to legal
possess
guns?

That depends on whether the felon was convicted of a violent
or
a
non violent crime. A person convicted of a violent crime has
already shown a propensity to use violence to achieve an end.
He/she probably should not have that right restored.

So you oppose the Second Amendment?

No, he supports the 5th Amendment.

So you think something in the 5th contradicts the 2nd?

Yes. Just as it can contradict any/all of our other rights when
one
is convicted by due process.

So anyone who has in the past been convicted can have all other
rights
permanently revoked?

If that is a condition of their sentence.....yes.

After all, what else would you call capital punishment?

If that's permitted, and it specifically is, then clearly any lesser
restriction of rights would similarly be allowed.

So then you do not agree with the Second amendment. That is all I am
asking.

You're being dishonest. Here's what you're asking:

"Do you believe in a completely unrestricted and unfettered right to
keep and bear any type of arms under any circumstances whatsoever?"

That's what you're asking.

No. I am asking how you reconcile the 2nd with current practice vis a
vis
felons.

We've told you about ten times now. Fifth amendment.

And I pointed out that if the only requirement to abrogate any amendment
is
due process then no constitutional protection has any meaning.

One would have to be found GUILTY by due process before one's rights
were abrogated.

So you're of the opinion then that we may as well have no rights,
since criminals can lose theirs, then?

No. In that the individual sentence of a felon does not contain the specific
revocation of the 2nd but it comes from lefislative staute then if this is
acceptable as due process then any legislative proscription is accpetableas
due process.

That sentence doesn't specifically say that the inmate will wear
prison clothes and get his mail read and censored and body cavities
checked either.

Everyone knows (with the exception of, perhaps, you) that if you are
convicted of a felony you lose your RKBA, Right to Vote, and AFAIK
Right to Serve on a Jury. Just like everyone knows if you're convicted
of the felony of robbing a bank, you go to jail.

That's the punishment. Your trial is the due process.


And since any legislation can abrogate the 2nd then it has no
meaning.

Uh, no, it can't. That's why we have a Supreme Court.

Say, do you know ANYTHING AT ALL about the U.S. system of government?
[chuckle]
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