Re: Britain records 18% fall in gun deaths




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Good stuff Trevor, you've got them hopping around like cats on
a
hot tin roof. Of course they can't provide you with any
evidence, they don't have any. It's what they do when
confronted
with factual evidence, ie "Britain records 18% fall in gun
deaths", simply pluck a number out of the air (in this case a
nice, round million) and try and use that in defense.

I fear you're wasting your time trying to goad them into
providing any substantive backup; they won't because they
can't.

**Oh, I know that. That none can even provide a miserable 0.3%
of
the requested data tells me all I need to know.


Yep, we don't have to do your bidding.

**YOU CAN'T DO MY BIDDING! You cannot provide the requested data,
because it does not exist.


Maybe if you were a bit more
responsive when people ask you to support your claims you might
get more interest in meeting your demands, but frankly you just
aren't worth it. After all, you have clearly shown that you will
arbitrarily dismiss data you don't like.

**Nope. DATA cannot be dismissed. It is data. What can be rejected
are lies (like the shit dished out by John Lott Jnr, et al), bad
statistics (like the shit dished out by John Lott Jnr, et al) and
shoddy interpretation (like the shit dished out by John Lott Jnr,
et al) of collected information.



Meanwhile you worship at the dick of Lambert.

**No idea what a "dick of Lambert" is. I just use common sense and
logic. hat you believe 1 million DGUs occur in the US each year,
without supplying a meagre 0.3% supporting evidence, tells me that
you can stick your supernatural claptrap where the Sun don't shine.

That is just another
study, you know.

**What you need to understand is that religious beliefs count for
squat. Facts and data are the only things that matter in the real
world. Keep your supernatural claptrap to your Sunday jaunts and
let's deal in real, hard data.



Here ya go Trev. Maybe you can shake that religious belief that gun
control works. Read everything and check the cites at the end.

Important note: Lott is not mentioned.

Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology (Northwestern)
Guns and Violence Symposium,
vol. 86, no. 1, 1995: 150.
Posted for Educational use only. The printed edition remains
canonical. For citational use please visit the local law library or
obtain a back issue.


ARMED RESISTANCE TO CRIME: THE PREVALENCE AND NATURE OF SELF-DEFENSE
WITH A GUN *
Gary Kleck
Marc Gertz

Copyright ¸ 1995 by the Northwestern University School of Law, Gary
Kleck & Marc Gertz


Although this is interesting for those of us who care for studies and
surveys that are done properly, it is a waste of time to post it for
Trevor. He will simply ignore it, won't read it and, if he did,
probably
not understand it. He is comfortable with his preconcieved notions
and
won't budge. He, apparently, can't even keep his confusion between
DGUs,
Gary Kleck and John Lott straight. Such a waste of good data and
bandwidth.

**I see no data. Just another study. Don't you find it curious, that a
person claiming 1 million DGUs each year, is unable to provide a mere
0.3%
of the DAILY total to justify his position? Such religious beliefs have
no
place in rational discussions.



My claim was based on the various studies quoted, not on a actual survey
conducted by myself.

**So? Are you saying that you believe everything everyone tells you? That
makes you kinda stupid.


I suppose this means that in the future any cite you make, if it was not
in
fact produced by you personally is not valid. Frankly thios seems
absurd, but
if that is the standard you want to have.

**All I have asked for is evidence of less that 0.3% of the claimed daily
total of DGUs in the US.

Which you have received.

**Liar. The data has NEVER been presented, in the requested form. Not once,
not ever.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


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