Re: Police chief indicted after boy killed by Uzi

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:23:46 -0800, Husky wrote:

On Dec 5, 9:10 am, Damaged Brain <bamaNOTbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:37:56 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
In talk.politics.guns "James Hatten" <photonicband...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081204/us_nm/us_usa_shooting_boy_1

I doubt they can make that charge stick.

I hope they do. He's a fucking idiot.

It's the boy's father that was the fucking idiot.  Unless the kid had
previous experience in firing a full auto, which I sincerely doubt, the
father should never have allowed it.  This is a judgment call.

They're both idiots! The Dr., Father is more culpable.

Yes, I said that. Funny how the state prosecutor has not charged him
with anything.


These charges won't stick anywhere else.  Did the police chief violate
state and local laws?  I doubt it, since the shoot was taking place on
private property.

Have you ever heard the words Negligent or Reckless, in a law? Private
property is not an affirmative defense in such a case as this.

First, you have to show negligence - which the prosecutor cannot do as
the state charges are being based on possession by a minor. But
according to Mass. law if the boy was supervised by a licensed person
then it was OK for him to fire the gun.


Did the two other men who were indicted for "supplying" a gun to a
minor child do so in a public setting?  Was the gun given to the boy
for his personal at home use?  Was the boy unsupervised when he fired
the gun?

What's your point?
The gave a fully automatic weapon to an 8 yr old, who was, aside from
the obvious, not qualified to even touch such a weapon. His shooting
himself in the head shows he wasn't, at best, Properly Supervised. Why
not give him the keys to a car?

Define "properly supervised". There was someone there on the firing line
with the kid to ensure that the kid didn't get hurt.

His father had already taught him to shoot a rifle and handgun. This is
something you might know, if you had bothered to *investigate* before
jumping in naked.

Your version of the law sounds a lot like my marine nephew's version of
war: Arrest 'em all and let the judge sort it out, vs. kill 'em all and
let God sort 'em out.

Unfortunately, the accident happened in the notoriously anti-gun state
of Massachusetts, so I'm sure that the state AG will go after this in
the manner that he should be using on real crime.

You're talking like a fool. Are you saying, say in 'Bama, the would
have just issued absolved the Dad and the Chief. This was a "Real
Crime"..

I have no idea. I don't live in Alabama. That's your Straw Man - you
feed it.

And if it was a "Real Crime", just who was the criminal? Seems like
everyone there was properly licensed according to the state.

Maybe you should wait until, or if, the accused are convicted before you
call them criminals? But as my former cop brother pointed out, after a
while the cops come to a "us vs. them" attitude, where even the solid
citizens are just criminals that haven't been caught yet.

That was not am accident. It is the result of negligent and reckless
behavior.

Really officer? Calling it so doesn't make it so. Or did you just make
up the laws as you went along during your career? That last is called
"Anarcho-tyranny", where state officials make up 'laws' to suit the
occasion. Ever arrest anyone for the despicable crime of "failure to
kneel at the zipper"? How about for "driving a fancy car while black"?

It was totally avoidable, on so many levels. Why wasn't the
gun, at the very least, pointed down range? They gave one of the
deadliest small caliber weapons on earth to a little boy and weren't
smart enough to...... well obviously they weren't smart at all.

The gun *was* pointed down range. Apparently, the boy lost control of it
during full-auto fire and the muzzle flip put a round into the boy's head.

Damn sad. But *** happens.

--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

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