Re: Australian Gun Law Update

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Phil Smythe
<smytph@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 4, 12:26 am, ozarkhe...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:16:00 -0700 (PDT), Phil Smythe



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On Apr 3, 6:15 am, Tony Levin <KingCrim...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
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On Apr 1, 8:07 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from
Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia
were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.

**Er, no. It has been TEN YEARS!

Even worse!

And _YOU_ still can't own a firearm, and your VIOLENT Countries crime
rate is still unchanged/and getting worse!

Yes, YOU can't be allowed to own one, as YOU do not live in an area
where YOU can own one!

YOU still think that YOU have an imaginary friend that can stop his
heart to make "pretty shots."

Australia's "crime rate is still unchanged/and getting worse"? Do you
just make this up?

In 1996 the murder rate was 1.7, in 2006 it was 1.4, a fall of 18%;

And in 1988 it was at 2.4

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/ti61.pdf

Nice choice of a statistical outlier. The graph accompanying the text
clearly shows the preceding dozen or so years on a gentle rise from
around 1.8 to 1.9. Then a dramatic jump in 1988 followed by an equally
dramatic fall in 1989 (to a slightly lesser figure in fact). The graph
shows the trend of a general increase beginning around the early
1970's to the late 80's, from about 1.6 to about 1.9 . Between 1988
and 1994 (end of graph) it fluctuated wildly bewtween 2.4 to about
1.8. In 1996 the gun laws were altered and, lo and behold, the rate
has trended DOWN since that time. Basically we had a period of upward
trend, a period of wild fluctuation followed a period of downward
trend. The downward trend coincides with the tougher gun laws.


Can't read a graph, can you? I can't help you with that - perhaps
education might.

The downward trend started before your 96 laws. Just as I stated.

So much for the 96 gun laws.



attempted murder rate in 1996 was 1.8, in 2006 was 1.2, a fall of
33%; robbery rate in 1996 was 89.4, in 2006 was 83.9, a fall of 6%
(ABS Recorded Crime Victims 4510.0). These are the crimes where guns
are involved (either offensively or defensively) and which are used to
measure the impact of gun laws. Unless of course you were including
things such as credit card fraud in assessing gun laws?

I suggest that when you make SHOUTING claims as above you have the
decency to know what you're blathering on about.

I suggest that you go back and look before 1996; you find the rates
were already dropping.

WRONG. Your own posted graph even proves you wrong, the rates were NOT
dropping, in fact it shows the 2 latest years (1993 & 1994) both
rising.


LOL Take a deep breath and look at 88 - 90.

Then it started down.




So much for the false notion that the 1996 gun control laws are
responsible.............

The gun laws are a part of the system and the system has seen the
murder rate fall when it had not been falling previously.

Not according to the graph posted by your governmet.



I understand your pathological desire to deflect attention away from
the correlation between stricter gun laws and declining murder rates,
but I'm not impressed by your combination of cherry picking and
outright falsehoods. I'd urge you to do better, but I doubt you can

No need to do better - I am right on target.

You, on the other hand, have a problem

.

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