Re: Increased gun crime in Britain


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Blinky Bill wrote:
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However, just for my information, is it your contention that the
only
successful use of a gun in self defense involves the death of the
attacker?
**Nope.
Trevor, have you gone and looked at the cite I gave you?
**Yep.
And? You still wish to stick with your claim of 200 by the FBI?

**The data supplied by the FBI pertains to the number of DGUs
resulting in the death of the perp.
Actually, no, it really doesn't. It only includes those deaths where the
decision was made on-site and the shooter not charged. It does not
include court judgements later where the decision of the court was that
the shooting was, in fact, in self defense.

Where can evidence for that claim be found? The FBI site itself says "The
Program classifies justifiable homicides separately and limits the
definition to: (1) the killing of a felon by a law enforcement officer in
the line of duty; or (2) the killing of a felon, during the commission of
a felony, by a private citizen".

No mention of whether the shooter was charged or of self defense.

**I am sure that RD can back up his claim. He is the least dishonest
person in TPG.

I await his reply with great interest. As for a court decision of "self
defense", the USDOJ site tabulates the following reasons for justifiable
homicide - "attacked cop", "attacked citizen", "fled or resisted",
"disrupted crime" and "undetermined". ("undetermined" puzzles me - if the
reason for the homicide was undetermined, how could it be classified as
justifiable?)

We're getting closer to that 1.5 million figure. Only 1,599,700 to go.

I assume that has a typo in it. You are too generous. In 2005, there were
192 justifiable homicides by private citizens (USDOJ). That total includes
all justifiable homicides, not just those using a firearm.



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