Re: Anti-Gun Hysteria!
- From: "Herb Martin" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:41:56 -0500
"swamp" <swampmunge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:59:29 -0700, DonStarr <don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
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We must keep in mind that swamp's previous definition of "manufacture"
seems to require that the "manufacturer" obtains every one of his
materials on his own, without depending on the efforts of any other
industry. That is, swamp won't allow the manufacturer to buy any
pre-processed materials or tools. I can only presume that was his
reason for talking about mining and smelting iron ore when claiming it
was difficult to manufacture firearms.
If you'll recall, pro-gun, or pro-RKBA, or whatever you want to call
yourselves,
Something accurate will do -- and those who argue for the Right to
Keep and Bear Arms are in fact RKBA supporters or advocates,
even if they are NOT perhaps always "pro-gun".
They are also more generally, supporters or advocates of Human Rights
to defend themselves, their families, and the liberty of their country by
both peaceful and armed means when necessary.
Human rights advocates would therefore be more correct than "pro-gun"
even if less specific than "RKBA Advocates".
argued that making a semi-automatic, powder-charged weapon
was not difficult for anyone w/ a garage or basement, a CNC machine,
No one ever claimed "anyone" could do it -- they at best claimed that
many people had the MEANS and some large subset of them had the
SKILL.
No statement that "Anyone" could do it (or would do it) was every made.
and access to spring steel (junkyard). Some claimed they could make
the springs themselves.
Possibly but most people simply pointed out that you can BUY the materials
at the hardware store, or obtain them from scavenging other machinery and
junk yards in specific.
Of course, by such a definition, there are very few individuals (or,
likely, corporations) that can "manufacture" cookies. Not too many
individuals or corporations:
* plant, harvest, and mill their own wheat,
* plant, harvest, and refine their own sugar crops (or maintain
beehives),
* hunt down wild chickens to get their eggs (whether to use those
eggs immediately or to raise yet more chickens),
* run a rudimentary chem lab to "manufacture" chemical leavenings,
or start and maintain wild yeast cultures,
* grow and process their own vanilla,
* mine or evaporate their own salt,
* plant and harvest their own walnuts, pecans, whatever,
* mine and smelt their own iron to make an oven or any of other
implements they might need to mix, contain, or otherwise prepare
the ingredients,
* produce their own electricity or gas which will run the oven,
* etc.
I wonder if swamp thinksKraft Foods "manufactures" cookies, or if
Sturm, Ruger & Company "manufactures" firearms. Neither one obtains
all of the raw materials on their own. Perhaps he's disqualified them
from the ranks of "manufacturers". If so, it's likely he's
disqualified every other "manufacturer" on the planet, except,
perhaps, those who are whittling little figurines out of driftwood
(presuming they made their own knives, of course).
Not exactly. I've DQ'd the guys who say a Glock can be made in a
garage w/ hand drills and files for less $$ than one could buy one at
the local gun shop.
Glocks are actually very simple compared to most handguns so although
I am not personaly among those with either the machinery or existing skills
to create a firearm from "scratch" it seems quite likely that a Glock would
be easier to functionally duplicate than a 1911 or similar design.
Much of a glocks receive is plastic which is generally easier to work.
Most of the glock metal parts are VERY simple, requiring what looks to
be minimal maching, most "edge work" and "drilling".
I'm sure your wife makes excellent chocolate-chip
cookies, probably much better than Kraft's, but I'll bet her cookies
aren't on the shelves of the local supermarket. She can't compete w/
the price or production.
New attempt ot move the goal posts. All along EVERYONE who tried
to educate you on this subject pointed out that if "guns were banned" then
the increased PROFIT or NECESSITY would mean that SOME people
could and would create a firearm from scratch.
No one claimed it would be "cheaper" than the existing similar arms.
Cheap arms ARE possible, the main reason these are not currently
manufactured
are LEGAL ones.
As long as the SELLING price doesn't justify the risk, or the NECESSITY
of defending against tyrrany doesn't demand taking the risk then these will
not be produced in quantify.
Even then we showed you that some small shops DO produce high quallity
(not cheap) firearms in small workships. These are generally among the most
prized and expensive firearms you will see at shooting competitions.
Also, you were shown that criminals were doing this in Australia -- and
since
the firearms were illegal anyway, the arms produced were FULLY AUTOMATIC.
.
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