Re: Gun Reform in Australia

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Karl Hungus wrote:
"0:->" <pohaku.kane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:MbSdndY4JPYI3ajZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
rhw wrote:
Try this.

Any Australian citizen over the age of 30, and with a clean record (no exceptions) and a minimum three year university degree (no exceptions) would - after volunteering and passing six months part-time training and rigorous theoretical and practical testing, be sworn in as an auxiliary police officer, and be entitled to carry a badge and a concealable firearm. As a condition of their office, they must serve the equivalent of 14 (paid) days (or shifts) in direct support of police operations - front desk, cordon and search, on-call for crowd control etc. Any licensed armed auxiliary officer must re-qualify at a one week part time training course every two years. Any offence means immediate dismissal, any failure to provide 14 days service means immediate dismissal - no exceptions.

Advantages:
- 1000s of qualified Australians would be lining up to participate
- heaps of responsible, qualified armed responders in the community
- heaps of qualified part time coppers to do the mundane stuff (14 shifts per year) freeing full time coppers for quality police work in the community.
- every armed bandit thinking about 'doing' a bank, petrol station, post office etc has to pause and consider the possibility that a trained and armed auxiliary law enforcement officer is standing quietly in the queue waiting to be served.

Disadvantages:
- too complex for simple minded politicians and bureaucrats to administer.
- Not PC.
- nice to dream, but it will never happen {sigh}
No, the largest problem would be armed POLICE OFFICERS WITH POLICE POWERS RUNNING ALL ABOUT. An armed CITIZENRY is the real answer. Free to carry and protect themselves and others.

You are proposing an ARMY of people with police authority.

Ever noticed that police have to be very stringently and carefully monitored and controlled by the people...through their government?

You wish to create yet another level of GOVERNMENT CONTROL rather than stripping that away to give control BACK to the people, where it belongs.

There is a huge difference between the fear that a police officer engenders, and the respect that mutually armed citizens have for each other and society. It's really hard to ride roughshod over YOURSELF, as a citizen. Very easy to if you have police authority.

I find this idea of your distasteful to the extreme.

But I appreciate that people, such as yourself, are willing to look at various options.

An armed citizenry is a safer citizenry....and we don't need "vetting."


Very nicely said!

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Man that is such a load. There has to be control and there has to be discipline. Those who lack self control and self discipline need imposed discipline.

Your conspiracy rubbish about police-state control in Australia is a relic of the cold war. We are an egalitarian society, but that is no excuse for ungoverned gun ownership. Just as some people do not deserve to have a car, some clearly have no business with a gun.

I don't want to be part of a society where every angry alcoholic can buy and carry a .45ACP on a Friday night. Without a barrier test to filter out the unsuitable, every low IQ nut-case with a grudge, and no self control, will be running around with a gun.

My proposal is to make concealed carry a privilege that has to be earned - it requires self discipline, sacrifice and a sense of social responsibility. I'm a shooter, but there is no way I support free-for-all ownership.

"We don't need vetting" ??? Jeez mate, you need to get out more and see what kind of people there are out there. I would not want to live withing 100kms of some of them if I thought they had ready access to a concealable firearm. The street would be running red. Think about the Cronulla incident - if they were all armed, it would have been a blood bath. Those people cannot be expected to act rationally, but they would be the first to go armed if they were allowed to. Think again.

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