Re: A disturbing sign.


John P wrote:
> <pohaku.kane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in a message
>
> >> Although, I suppose, there are some states where you are not allowed to
> >> carry a gun in the passenger compartment of a vehicle in a concealed
> >> manner.
> >> On a pickup with no cap or other means to protect/lock the bed area,
> >> you'd
> >> have to carry your rifle in the cab. It would seem that in order to do so
> >> legally (in areas with "no concealed..." laws), you'd need to put it in a
> >> gun rack or mount it in some other, visible, manner.
>
> > Nope. Not required. Simply unloaded. Same with handguns. With CCW, on
> > your person. Off your person and without CCW, then unloaded and stored
> > away from the occupants. Trunk works. Doubt a cop would be particularly
> > worried if you had one in a case behind the seat, unloaded with no ammo
> > real handy.
>
> In what state, city or town are you talking about?

Lots of them. packing.org has every state's laws on carry.

> I recall talking to some
> cop somewhere that was telling me that the law (where he was) was that any
> gun in the passenger compartment had to be *plainly* visible - even having
> it on the floor in the back seat wouldn't cut it.

I wonder where he was? In states in my area, the west, you either carry
on your person, as per CCW only, of course, or you unloaded it and
stored it out of reach.

> > Some cops are assholes and will bust you for anything, while the
> > majority will not and use good sense.
>
> True. That's why they pass "enabler laws".
>
> > The answer? Get a puckering CCW and keep it on you, and disable your
> > long guns and unload.
>
> Not an option here in Mayor Daley's kingdom of Illinois. No CCW allowed.

I know. Got a problem with violent crime?

> No
> open carry allowed.

"Open" carry varies from state to state. Some allow it without CCW.

> Based on various laws, technically, having a gun in you
> car, anywhere, in any state of readiness is not really allowed.

Most that have shall issue carry require that you have it upon your
person, as per the permit.

And no, not in a state of readiness somewhere else in your car.

> Realistically, if you have an unloaded gun, in a case (preferably locked),
> in your trunk, *and* the ammo stored seperately, the cops are fine with
> that. A loaded gun, anywhere in your car will generally get you in a bit of
> trouble. If it's 3 am and you're driving on the south side with a weapon
> anywhere in your car, you're probably going to get in trouble. If you're a
> middle aged yuppie type in a nice SUV or a Beemer and you have an unloaded
> weapon anywhere in the car - your probably not going to get any trouble. If
> it's loaded, and you have it within reach, and you tell the cop you carry
> large sums of cash from your business and drive through high crime areas...
> you're probably not going to have a problem.

It's that age and yuppie thingie.

My belief is that when a cop stops a black person who lives in da 'hood
who turns out is not a "suspect" and does not have a felony record, the
cop should be asking, "why are you not carrying? We can't be everywhere
at once."

But then, that's just me. I consider the high violent crime rate in
some black communities a matter of low rates of carry by vulnerable
blacks, and totting up the "crimes of violence" when in fact the perp
was the person down with a hole in them, and no one to be found, and no
one talking.

I've heard a rumor, ;-) to that effect, anyway.

> So, to sum up, the law in Illinois is it depends on who you are, where you
> are and what it appears you may or may not be doing. :-)

About like most other places. Sans those that have an outright ban. And
even there one can get away with it by having the pull to "qualify" as
needing to carry and getting a CCW.

> > I do NOT like advertising I am armed. You see, I want the bad guys to
> > have to guess about us all. Amazing what "shall issue" did in the
> > states that adopted it. Just puckering amazing.
>
> I've been active in the battle here in Illinois to change the fact that we
> are one of the few remaining states without any type of concealed carry law.
> Hell, Chicago just decided that retired cops can't even carry any more. John
> Birch from Concealedcarry.org likes that. He figures that now, we have them
> on our side.

A whole lot of cops have been on our side. Interestingly they think
it's some kind of protected right of citizens to have the means to
defend themselves. Fancy that.

Kane

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