Re: I don't think the Democrats have enough seats to filibuster the next SC appointment

They might lose.....but remember when Bush won a contentious Presidential
contest when his numbers were very low.

Politics is all local especially in the Congressional Districts but the
Evangelicals are vigilant now they will be out to vote from 2004 on.

D.H.

"Matt" <matttelles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> secondar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> Matt - IIRC, if the Democrats try to filibuster, the Republicans will
>> just resort to the "Nuclear Option".
>
> "Just" is very relative. Yes, they can vote to change the parliamentary
> rules. At one time, that might have even seemed likely. However, at
> this
> point, the Republicans have become aware they WILL lose seats in the
> next
> election, and quite possibly might lose control of one or both houses.
> This isn't some biased view, believe me, they know it.
>
> If they change the rules, they establish precedent. Once precedent is
> set,
> the Democrats can, and will, destroy them using their own rules. They
> know this, at least the minority that still thinks on both sides.
>
> One of the biggest mistakes made by DeLay was in changing the rules in
> Texas. It will cost him his job, and in the future, may cost the
> Republicans
> any hope of ever retaking the positions they will lose, unless the
> Democrats
> are very, very stupid.
>
> This, by the way, is WHY power corrupts. It makes you arrogant.
>
> Matt
>
>>
>> See
>> http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_issues/hot_issues_in_congress/confirmation_watch/nuclear_option.htm
>>
>>
>> Basically, "...at the time of a cloture vote to end debate, the Senate
>> majority would secure a ruling from the chair that Standing Rule XXII
>> [Standing Rule XXII provides for unlimited debate in the Senate until a
>> cloture motion for ending debate is filed and the question is "decided
>> in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and
>> sworn."] does not apply. The chair, likely the Vice President, would
>> probably agree and rule in favor of the majority. The issue would then
>> be brought to a vote, and the minority, probably through the Minority
>> Leader, would note that the issue is debatable and, hence, also subject
>> to a filibuster.
>>
>> The parliamentarian, relying on Senate precedent, would agree. The
>> chair would then recognize a non-debatable motion to table. At this
>> point, the majority could overrule the anti-majoritarian precedent,
>> uphold the ruling of the chair, and proceed to a final yea-or-nay vote
>> on the original question by securing a simple majority vote in favor of
>> the motion to table.
>>
>> If all that seems complex, it is. But the basic import of such
>> procedural maneuvering is that a simple majority of the current Senate
>> can force a change in Rule XXII to reduce the supermajoritarian cloture
>> requirement, thus making it possible to end debate by simple majority
>> vote."
>>
>> Matt wrote:
>> > David Halpern wrote:
>> > > They only have 45 seats and one Democrat leading Independent.
>> >
>> > Hm. People unclear on the concept of filibusters. Let's try it again.
>> > Unless and until the rules of cloture are changed, it requires 60
>> > Senators (a super-majority, in their parlance) to end a filibuster.
>> > With 45 Senators, the Dems can hold a filibuster as long as they want.
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Big deal...they talk tough..but haven't got much of their way lately
>> > > lol.
>> >
>> > No? Hm. They haven't had to do much lately. The Republicans have done a
>> > marvelous job of imploding on their own.
>> >
>> > matt
>


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