Re: No doubt Saddam had WMDs

"Matt" <matttelles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> Gray Ghost wrote:
>> "Matt" <matttelles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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>> >
>> > Gray Ghost wrote:
>> >> "Matt" <matttelles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> >> news:1127170186.186455.54680
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>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Gray Ghost wrote:
>> >> >> "Matt" <matttelles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> >> >> news:1127133024.207522.156380
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gray Ghost wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Matt" <matttelles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> >> >> >> news:1127076946.874336.237200
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Gray Ghost wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> "Matt" <matttelles@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> news:1127070682.773715.108730
>> >> >> >> >> @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > He still has this belief that satellites use
>> >> >> >> >> > conventional optics, only. Obviously, they
are using
>> >> >> >> >> > thermal imagery, as well as more advanced
multi-spectral
>> >> >> >> >> > imaging.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Not quite my simple minded friend. But all
spectrums are
>> >> >> >> >> indeed spoofable. Again the most anti military
zealots
>> >> >> >> >> want to tell us how it works. But I do love to
hear your
>> >> >> >> >> misinformed blather as you misquote others and
put words
>> >> >> >> >> in their mouths to suit your position. It
makes you sound
>> >> >> >> >> so, well, Louis Farrakan claiming that Bush
blew up the
>> >> >> >> >> levee to flood the "poor" section of NO to
save the "rich"
>> >> >> >> >> section or to just kill blacks. It makes you
all so sound
>> >> >> >> >> so rational, so trustable with important
grownup matters.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Er, sure, whatever you say. So, you've done a
lot of work
>> >> >> >> > with multi-spectral imaging? I have. You
understand thermal
>> >> >> >> > imaging and what it can, and cannot, detect? I
didn't think
>> >> >> >> > so.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > You can quit posting your idiotic strawmen now,
you've
>> >> >> >> > already lost the argument. Farrakan had nothing
to do with
>> >> >> >> > Iraq, he had nothing to do with satellite
imagery.
>> >> >> >> > Obviously, you know nothing about either.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Bye little one.
>> >> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Ghost
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The arrgoance of the empty head. Tell me Mr
Brain, if our
>> >> >> >> ability to spy is infinite how come you jackasses
are
>> >> >> >> claiming there wasn't anything in the first
place? We should
>> >> >> >> have been able to tell that definitely, no?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You just continue to spout nonsense, don't you?
More silly
>> >> >> > strawmen. I never said the ability was "infinite".
I said we
>> >> >> > were watching Iraq closely, since we were planning
an
>> >> >> > invasion. But logic seems to escape you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I hope those shoes ain't to big.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Whatever. Listen, go back and listen to Limbaugh
some more.
>> >> >> > Maybe he'll give you the answers you seek.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Oh, so looking at fixed installations we are not
sure what we
>> >> >> see, but with trucks moving across a desert, trucks
that we
>> >> >> don't really know to look for, mixed in with other
dirty dusty
>> >> >> trucks, we should have absolutely seen something and
it's GWB's
>> >> >> fault that we didn't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And why are you lefties so fixated on Limbaugh? He
must really
>> >> >> make your ass itch. Odd though that he is succesful
after all
>> >> >> these years and every lefty that's hit the airwaves
has crashed
>> >> >> and burned. Market forces and all that sort of
thing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But it's a nice little sidestep and you haven't
really addressed
>> >> >> the basic issue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Satellite surviellance is indeed multi spectrum. But
all
>> >> >> spectrums are postentially spoofable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Saddam's intelligence people had mucho contact with
French and
>> >> >> Russian intelligence types. I guarantee the KGB or
whatever name
>> >> >> it goes by now knows more about our satellites than
you do.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So address the issue:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If the Iraqis knew the schedule and spectrum being
observed, if
>> >> >> they were being coached by Russian or French
intelligence types
>> >> >> (God knows we didn't find any new, banned
conventional Russian
>> >> >> or French weapons, hack-hack, cough-cough), if the
equipment was
>> >> >> moved in otherwise conventional trailers and if we
weren't
>> >> >> specifically looking for specific items since we
weren't
>> >> >> entirely sure where some of it was...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is it at least possible? Or do you claim with
absolute certaincy
>> >> >> that it did not happen?
>> >> >
>> >> > Is it possible? Certainly. Did Sadaam Hussein do it?
No. He
>> >> > didn't have the technology to even notice us coming.
>> >> >
>> >> > Basically, you are now claiming that the BILLIONS we
sank into
>> >> > defense and homeland security is worthless. Thank
you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ghost
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> So you are denying that:
>> >>
>> >> The Russians and the French supplied the Iraqis with
military
>> >> technology. That the technology supplied was prohibited
under the
>> >> terms of the various agreements and resolutions passed
by the
>> >> toothless UN. That the Russians and the French would
therefore have
>> >> reason for wanting to help Saddam conceal materials
that might tend
>> >> to incriminate them. That the Russians and the French
intelligence
>> >> services had contact with the Iraqis.
>> >> That the Russians and the French military intelligence
services
>> >> probably know more about satellite spectrum and
schedules than you
>> >> do. That they might inform the Iraqis of how to remove
material
>> >> from Iraq.
>> >>
>> >> None of this is even remotely possible?
>> >> And you suggest that I am close minded?
>> >
>> > No, I'm suggesting you are a conspiracy theorist.
>> >
>> > Would you care to imagine WHY the Russian and French
would do this?
>> > They use the same technology we do.
>> >
>> > Now, ANY cite whereby the Russians and French supplied
such
>> > technology to Iraq would be helpful. Impossible, since
it never
>> > happened, but helpful. Please, go all out here.
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>>
>> France supplied complete Rapier launcher systems, the
Russians some
>> fairly sophisticated comm gear including GPS jammers. The
Russians
>> have no problem selling nuclear equipment to anyone with
the money (ie
>> Iran). France are really nothing more than hi tech
prostitutes.
>
> A launcher system can pick up a satellite? GPS jammers can
pick up and
> block satellite optics? Please explain what you are saying
here.
> Nuclear equipment has nothing to do with the argument.
>
>>
>> The fact that you are unaware of current events is not my
problem.
>> Perhaps you should find a better source of news.
>
> Perhaps you should learn to interpret things a bit better.
>
> Matt
>
>

My apologies Matt. Willful ignorance is to be pitied. It is
not my job to make you think.

<Plonk>
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