Re: Organic farming is practical on a large scale
- From: "Dave" <prplbn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 6 Dec 2005 17:35:13 -0800
rick wrote:
> "Dave" <prplbn@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > rick wrote:
> >> "Dave" <prplbn@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >> >A recent Swiss study conducted over 21 year period found
> >> > that compared with conventional farming the yields in
> >> > organic
> >> > agriculture were 20% lower but energy use was reduced by
> >> > 34-53%, pesticide use was reduced by 97% and the organic
> >> > soil was far healthier.
> >> > http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s569055.htm
> >> >
> >> > 1 hectare of soybeans provides 365g usable protein. A
> >> > hectare
> >> > of rice 261, corn 211, other legumes 192, wheat 138, milk
> >> > 82,
> >> > eggs 78, meat (all types) 45 and beef 20. The conclusion is
> >> > clear.
> >> > a slight dietary shift away from animal foods in general and
> >> > meat
> >> > in particular and without increasing the portion of land
> >> > used
> >> > to grow
> >> > our food we could feed everyone on 100% organic produce.
> >> >===========================
> >> All these 'calculations' make one big assumption, that all
> >> land
> >> is equal, and fit for the use you want to use it for.
> >> many of these areas will not grow thw crops you want.
> >
> > Sure, some of the lands currently used for grazing are not
> > suitable for cultivation but the same can not be said for the
> > land currently used to grow grains or soya for livestock.
> ============================
> HUH? Either the land supports crops or it doesn't.
And much of the crops grown are fed to livestock rather than humans.
> Almost all the soy grown is used for human edible oil,
Which is as much a byproduct of cattle feed as vice versa. I doubt
nearly as much soya oil would be produced if there weren't so
many cattle to feed.
> and then the waste is sent for feed.
This 'waste' is human edible. It's where TVP comes from.
> It's profitable to grow, *because* of the oil,
> the feed usage is just icing on their cake.
Yeah yeah.
> >
> >> Plus, if
> >> you do not feed animals the crops you grow, and eat
> >> free-ranged
> >> or game animals, there is practically NO input in energy to
> >> produce these meats. No matter the method of crop production
> >> for
> >> large scale, you will be using lots of energy.
> >
> > This is a fair point. Please note I am not opposed to these
> > meats
> > you mention.
> =====================
> But you are also never opposed to any veggies that are far worse
> than *any* of these meats.
You presume too much.
> >> Besides, all those soybeans are bad for your health.
> >
> > I don't believe that, not in moderation anyway.
> ======================
> Then eat all you want. Unlike vegan loons, I don't try to
> determine what you can or cannot eat. There have been any number
> of vegans here that have said that if they could, they would
> prohibit meat consumption.
>
>
> >
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