Re: conservatives more likely to be vegetarians


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>> >> >> >> > > Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >> shevek4@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>> The 1st is obvious - the sun's energy has a
>> > more direct and efficient route to my metabolism if I eat
>> > vegetables
>> > directly rather than filtering the energy first with another
>> > animal.
>> ==================
>> No fool, it's not obvious. You can eat meat that requires
>> absolutly NO human derived inputs. It provides your energy
>> from
>> the same sun source, but without all the petro-chemical
>> industry
>> inputs that YOUR veggies require. You kill far more mammals,
>> birds, reptiles, fish and amphibians that ae necessary.
>> Probably
>> more than some meat-included diets. Too bad you'e too
>> brainwashed to see the truth, hypocrite.
>>
>
> Yes, again I acknowledge you can eat such meat - and that there
> exist
> omnivorous and even carnivorous diets that are healthier and
> lower-impact than some vegetarian diets. That doesn't
> contradict my
> points - such cases are exceptions to a trend.
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Yes, it totally contradicts your original statements. That you
are now backpedeling is typical of the vegan loon caught in their
lys.



>
> What fraction do you think of meat eaten today is of that
> variety?
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Far more people than are in your supposed category, fool. You do
realize that even the 'typical' american diet that you loons like
to rail against icludes more than twice as much plant as meat
foods, hypocrite. There is no meat centric diet, as you loons
like to say.


As
> you know more petro-chemicals are used overall per average meat
> calorie
> than per average vegetable calorie.
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No, fool, I don't know that, and neither do you. The fact
remains that if you buy all your foods, it's easier to include
meats that have far less impact than veggies.



Also, even the sustainable hunter
> is getting his energy through a less efficient route - the
> solar energy
> to human metabolism efficiency is lower.
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ROTFLMAO You don't even know what you said...



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>> >
>> > The 2nd is observed epidemiologically. Cancers are less
>> > prevalent in
>> > societies where people eat less meat
>> ====================
>> Again, you're too stupid to understand, eh? "less meat" is
>> not a
>> veg*n diet, fool.
>>
>>
>> - removing meat from your diet has
>> > been shown to correlate with better health and physical
>> > endurance.
>> =================
>> No, it hasn't. except by loons with an agenda based on
>> anecdotal
>> spew...
>>
>
> It's been known for a long time! Here's yet more examples:
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Not conclusive, fool. Besides, the oldest living people are not
veggies.



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>
>
> ------------
> 'Users of low-protein and non-flesh dietaries have far greater
> endurance than those who are accustomed to the ordinary
> American diet'
> - Prof. Irving Fisher, Yale University, 1906. For centuries
> people
> believed that meat was important for athletes and the 19th
> century
> German chemist Liebig proposed that the energy for all muscular
> movement came from protein. But by 1850, scientists knew that
> the
> important fuels for physical activity were actually
> carbohydrate and
> fat, not protein at all. Despite these findings, the protein in
> meats
> continued to be favoured by athletes well into the 20th
> century.
>
> As recently as 1970, the meals of choice for Sri Lankan
> athletes
> included meat and eggs. Even in the schools I was educated at,
> in the
> 1950's, our teachers used to advise the athletes to consume
> eggs and
> meat.
>
> Long before meat based diets fell out of favour for athletes
> there were
> successful vegetarian athletes. Prof Irving Fisher of Yale
> University
> was intrigued with the physical endurance of "meat -abstainer"
> athletes. Prof Fisher studied three groups (a) meat eating
> athletes(b)
> vegetarian athletes and ( c) A group of sedentary vegetarian
> nurses and
> physicians in Michigan. His results showed a remarkable
> superiority of
> vegetarians in all tests of endurance. The vegetarian athletes
> and
> sedentary vegetarian nurses and physicians were superior in all
> endurance tests to meat eating athletes (Yale Med J. 13,205-21,
> 1907).
> --------
>
> Other more modern examples are easy to find, e.g.:
>
> -------
> Astrand, Per-Olaf, Nutrition Today 3:no2, 9-11, 1986
>
> In 1986, a Danish team of researchers tested a group of men on
> a
> variety of diets, using a stationary bicycle to measure their
> strength
> and endurance.
>
> The men were fed a mixed diet of meat and vegetables for a
> period of
> time, and then tested on the bicycle. The average time they
> could pedal
> before muscle failure was 114 minutes.
>
> These same men later were fed a diet high in meat, milk and
> eggs for a
> similar period and then re-tested on the bicycles. On the high
> meat
> diet, their pedalling time be-fore muscle failure dropped
> dramatically
> - to an average of only 57 minutes.
>
> Later, these men were switched to a strictly vegetarian diet,
> composed
> of grains, vegetables and fruits, and then tested on the
> bicycles. The
> lack of animal products didn?t seem to hurt their performance -
> they
> peddled for an average of 167 minutes. 5
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>
>
>> >> =========================
>> >> ALL farming is egological damage dolt. It destroyed a
>> >> natural
>> >> habitat and replaced it with a very unnatural one.
>> >>
>> >
>> > OK, but the question is which farms are you going to
>> > support.
>> =========================
>> You tell us fool. Afterall, it's YOUR claim to be the one
>> that
>> 'cares' about animals and the environment. Thanks for yet
>> again
>> proving you haven't thought any of this through beyond your
>> simple rule for your simple mind, 'eat no meat.'
>> If you have to buy all your foods, then the only thing obvious
>> for you to do is eat an omnivorous diet. A diet that includes
>> grass-fed meats and game. The former being available all over
>> the country. Othewise, all your foods are a product of the
>> petro-chemical industry from seed to shrink-wrapped processed
>> goo...
>>
>
> I do periodically check my local markets for meats that have at
> least
> their place of origin marked. It's surprisingly rare to find
> such
> around here, and even more rare to have information about the
> amount of
> petro-chems etc. It's usually far more of those used in meat
> production than e.g. organic grains. "Available all
> over the
> country" may be true in theory.. yet most restaurants don't
> even know
> what time zone their meat comes from, yet alone how it lived.
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Why bring up restaurants hypocrite? Any quick search will find
lots of grass-fed, or organic meats all around the country.



>
>
>> >> - antennas
>> >> > can kill birds, etc. etc..
>> >> =====================
>> >> Antennas DO kill birds, by the millions and millions...
>> >> Why
>> >> the
>> >> dancing around the edges, killer?
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'm not dancing around any edges. I'll shoot birds myself
>> > if I
>> > have
>> > to.
>> ==============
>> Thanks or again proving that being veg*n means nothing in
>> regards
>> to 'caring' about animals.
>>
>
> No problem. I have always said veg*n is actually about taste
> and diet
> and doesn't -necessarily- mean anything w/ regards to 'caring'
> about
> animals.
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Then you have no clue as to the meaning of being vegan, eh
killer?
And, if such is the case, why do you continue to spew your
nonsense in terms of animal and environmental impacts?


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> [..]
>>
>>
>> A vegetarian diet is not "better
>> > automatically", it is simply more likely to be conservative
>> > of
>> > health
>> > and natural resources than an omnivorous one.
>> >
>> > Another one for you. My diet (being from the US) is more
>> > likely to be
>> > wasteful of health and natural resources than that of a
>> > foreigner.
>> > ===============
>> Yet you really do nothing to change it. Why is that, killer?
>>
>
> I've told you several things I've done to change it. I've
> heard you
> insinuate you've done some things to beat the average as well.
> Keep up
> the good work, killer.
>


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