Re: Theology, Philosophy, and Science for a New Millennium

On 6 Jun 2006 06:52:38 -0700, "Tim" <tttpppggg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

MobyDikc wrote:
Here's an essay I've written:

http://cloudmusiccompany.com/science/

It answers these questions:

What is reality?

What is God?

What is mind?

What is truth?

I haven't read beyond this section yet.
Your thoughts seem coherent to me.
You are not confrontational.
You validate ancient belief systems.
You are afraid to admit any of them to be wrong.
Perhaps you need a section on false beliefs that is equally readable to
all without rejecting any one particular group but that applies to them
all.
To see what is false is as important as to see what is true.
I don't think humans are capable of fully achieving the truth.
We are capable of pursuing it, but that sense of truth is still just a
belief system.
This is congruent with the variety and conflicts amongst belief systems
that humans are capable of.

This falsity identification can be as simple as looking at a traffic
light and telling its color.
How we build consensus and the accuracy of that consensus takes on
detail as we walk about the intersection. When we disagree about such a
simple system one would hope that we could achieve agreement by
discussion and study. But to do so requires that we root out the false
and in that process the truth makes itself apparent.

I don't see how people can deny that whatever their belief system that
we all exist in the same singular reality or universe. Yet they do.
Christianity is the first that needs to be confronted since it
threatens all of the other systems, albeit in a peaceful disguise. They
go about telling people that if you believe their system you go to
heaven and if you don't believe their system you go to hell. Drink the
kool-aid or else. Listen to a shortwave radio and tune about the bands.
Most of them are Christian-American attempting to convert the world
into their false belief system. The spectrum is polluted by them. It is
easy to see how a Muslim must feel. But then they do the same thing.
All others are infidels. These systems are exclusive. In attempting to
include them your approach is susceptible. At the same time the
necessity to go where you are going is apparent. I suppose ultimately
it is a matter of human psychology and psychops, but that is a layer of
manipulation that would ideally be forgone and exposed. This requires
humans to understand what humans are. Our weaknesses are consequential.
The weak spots are what we need to understand. The skeptical approach
finds the weak link in the chain and exposes it to be reinforced or
improved. It becomes confrontational and distasteful because the
perfection that others claim is defective.

The Bahai faith seems to address some of these things and may be a step
toward the universal solution for those who can't stomach a fully
generic approach. Wouldn't you think that the Abrahamic religions could
admit they were one in a time beyond their divergent records? This
seems to be what a Bahai-like faith could do. That step alone would be
a nice improvement for the world. It would be a great relief. Like
Gould's evolutionary spindles it may be bound to happen.

I suppose a nuclear winter might be just the cure for global warming,
but I would also guess that there is only one just place to land them
and that is the one country that has used them against another. The
country that has warmed the planet the most. That is my country. We
adapt so easily. Global justice will fall with a heavy hand on us and
all the things we have done in the world in secret. The Muslims are
just first in line. How a young democratic nation could fail its
righteous image so badly is a statement on humans in general. The blame
is duly on homo sapiens.

It would be nice if everyone could stand down to the UN. But not us.
The one powerhouse who puts half its tax dollars to weapons of mass
destruction. Christianity and all religion is a guise for functional
operations. Some bow to those traditions like slaves under the power of
dictators. Freedom is not something that is given. It is something
that is taken. A Christian nation does not fully know freedom.
Awakening this sentiment is growing easier and easier as the tensions
build. Nationalism will give way because it has to, not because it
chooses to. How much damage takes place in the process is in the hands
of a powerful few. Yet I have my say and here it is. The U.S.A. is
volunteering itself as a nuclear wasteland as it continues to tweak the
others. Control has bidirectional consequences. The wealthy have their
bunkers and probably plenty are prepared for migration. There are
plenty of signals. The timing is slow. Slow enough to be adaptive.
Nukes of unidentifiable origin lauched from a neutral space such as the
middle of an ocean from a submarine have no one to retaliate to. When
one has so many enemies and is such a bully that you don't know who to
point the finger at what can you do? The U.S. is about to stand down
whether it likes it or not. The situation I describe is strictly
hypothetical and should only be taken as a hypothetical threat. The
gaming theorists have no doubt gone here and see the end-game. It is
just a matter of convincing the powerful top to choose a set of moves
that will gracefully allow the next game to begin. The next game has
already begun or at least the footings of its structure have been laid.
How to retire the old board and pieces or perhaps even reuse them is
where I believe we are at. Didn't the British already do this? Didn't
the U.S. help create the UN? The British carry on their traditions with
a healthy sense of humor and history. Perhaps the religions should do
the same, preserving their shrines but without the fervor. In some ways
that is already happening. It is the minorities who are trying to fan
an ember of a dying fire. There is another fire nearby that was already
started by a new faction with an ember from the old fire and there the
majority are gathered. The ones who stand around the old fire cry for
them to come back and bring wood for the old fire. But new games are
being played around the new fire and the old games pale in comparison
in the dim light.

-Tim


What is matter?

What is space?

What is time?

You're kidding, right? I've not heard this kind of dribble since the
sixties (oh, the "new" is the same as the "old"? <snicker>).

Every generation wants to change the world. They imagine a better
place, where they build upon the mistakes of their parents.
Eventyally, they succeed. Then THEIR children come along.

Sit with elders around the old fire..you just may learn something.

In the meantime, throw the world off of you shoulders - there is
always some moron willing to pick it up and carry it. Go to a comedy
club and have a good laugh - light hearts and better than heavy ones.
In final moments of your life, fun and family are all that matter.


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