Re: Humanism in 2006


Scott wrote:

I haven't asserted any pesonal position. You assumed it. I may have said I
believe in moral realism but that's no different than saying I believe in a
god.

Interesting you say that. We've been saying that too.


My beliefs aren't part of my argument. It's simple if moral relativism
is the theory that factually discribes morality then there is no such thing
as human rights.

If you mean something that exists outside of human minds you are
correct. Human rights as social constructs do exist. That's enough
for everyone here but you, and that is probably because you feel the
need to have a god guarantee the legitimacy of your actions. Neither
God nor Nature provide that assurance. We're stuck coming up with it
together.


What is humanism without human rights? nothing more than
what people do.

No. Humanism postulates a specific ethics based on specific cultural
constructs, including human rights. That doesn't mean that we have to
reify rights. That is not necessary.


And what people for ethics is very diverse, including honor
killing the daugther/sister/wife who you feel has dishonored the family/your
image.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling_2.html

Nope. That is not humanism. God doesn't condemn that behavior,
neither does Nature. Humanists do. And we do so even though we know
that neither God nor Nature exist.

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