"Barrysbeau" <barrysbeau@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
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>> "a liberal sort of theism that is basically humanism"? You know, I really
>> didn't need to respond to any thing else you've written. What's implied
>> in
>> the above statement is that you actually believe there is a universally
>> preferable moral code that hopefully *we* will progress towards. Any
>> other
>> moral code coming from any other competing source is brainwashing....but
>> not
>> if it comes from *your* moral code. If there is no moral realism. If
>> morality is subjectivism/relativism. And if morality is non-cognitivism
>> then
>> all moral codes held to be the better, the preferable is brought about by
>> brainwashing. It makes no difference the source.
>
> If humanists act in the way religions do by creating mythologies, then
> we will be brainwashing too (and implied as much later in the post). I
> did not state, and don't think its necessary to imply from what I have
> stated that moral realism is the result of brainwashing. I do think
> that many religious organizations brainwash their members, especially
> their children. Do you disagree?
Nope. It depends on how concretized the religion and how flexible, or the
different avenues, the religion poses. For example, in Christianity there is
top-down Christology and bottom-up Christology. Top down might be more age
appropriate to children. But as they mature bottom-up would seem more
appropriate IMO. Top-down emphasizes Jesus' divinity while bottom-up
emphasizes Jesus the man and his moral philosophy. I prefer the bottom-up
along with the mystical side that in some ways is much like zen.
>> It seems to me that humanist, in rejecting so much of what makes a
>> working
>> mythos, have actually emasculated themselves.
>
> On this we agree, but we really have no choice about it, we are beyond
> the point where we can believe in things simply because someone says so
> (not that we don't respect authority, but we do reject unverifiable
> authority).
>
> Being a eunuch isn't necessarily all bad though. Eunuchs were often
> very influentional in their cultures.
I think humanism's moral roots run deep into Christian morality.
I'm answering from at home right now but even though I'm self employed I
have to bow out as this is taking more time then I planed to allow.
I get a bit addicted to these stimulating conversation with someone like
yourself.
Scott
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Re: Humanism in 2006 ... > "a liberal sort of theism that is basically humanism"?... > preferable moral code that hopefully *we* will progress towards. ... we will be brainwashing too. ... Being a eunuch isn't necessarily all bad though. ... (talk.philosophy.humanism)
Re: Humanism in 2006 ... > Humanism is us acknowledging what we are doing. ... Then morality isn't relativism for you. ... she went against the social moral code of its day. ... get away from moral relativism and imply a belief in moral realism. ... (talk.philosophy.humanism)
Re: Humanism in 2006 ...Humanism is us acknowledging what we are doing. ...Liberals are attempting to force ... > conservatives to live within their social ideology. ... She went against the white moral code yes. ... (talk.philosophy.humanism)
