Re: Humanism in 2006

Joseph H wrote:

> > > Next Question: Why will humanism never really impact upon that same
> > > stupid public world?

> > Humanism moves slowly ahead, we see a lot of humanist progress over the
> > last 500 years.

> That's kinda slow, isn't it. In the meantime the world has moved on.

Humanism became an influential idea around the year 1500, and it set
off a tendency towards secularisation and rational thought.

This resulted in a loss of worldly power for the pope, reformation of
the church, the start of protestantism, which were kind of halfway
secularizations within the churches.
Religion was trying to adapt to the new humanist ideas to avoid being
abolished completely.

Humanism started a development of science and technology, and
democratization, equality between the sexes, development of modern
constitutions, like the american constitution.

Our present world of thought includes elements like democracy, human
rights, individual choice, equality, and all those ideas are part of
humanism.

Without the humanists around the year 1500 and the following age of
enlightenment which spread the humanist ideas we would still live in a
theocratic world, ruled by the pope. We would have no science and no
technology, we would be forced to learn bible verses by heart in the
schools. There would be no cars, no computers, no bicycles.

> Your solutions aren't keeping up with the time.

Humanism has created the time we live in.
And is still rebuilding the world from a religion based system into a
rational and critical thought based world.

We are still in the middle of a transformation from a religious society
to a humanist society. There is a lot more to do before we are free
from detrimental old traditions and religious views.

> > We have a history, we know what stages mankind has gone through, we are
> > happy to be the last of one paradigm and the first of a new paradigm.

> But, really, Roger, our "history" hardly impacts on humanism. It's an

It is humanism which is influencing history. Not the other way around.

> > If we abolish the creationist system there is no need for a replacement
> > of that system.
> > There is no real need for a belief in gods or whatever. Only very
> > excited brains, full of the holy spirit, need something to believe in,
> > something to cling to.

> But you believe in something, Rog, don't you? It's not a question of
> clinging on; it's a question of drawing support and sustenance from.

I don't believe in anything which cannot be explained by science and
rational thought.


--
Roger J.

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