Re: Humanism in 2006


"Roger Johansson" <roger4911@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
>
>> TWELFTH: Believing that religion must work increasingly for joy in
>> living,
>> religious humanists aim to foster the creative in man and to encourage
>> achievements that add to the satisfactions of life.
>
>> So stand the theses of religious humanism.
>
> Yes, there is a religious humanism, but that is not real humanism, it
> is a compromise.
>
> Some humanists think we need replacements for the old religion, so they
> make it possible to do similar procedures as the church does, but
> without the old religion.
> You can have a humanist wedding, without religious ideas and symbols.
> This is not mainstream humanism though.
>
> Note that US-americans have their own version of concepts in the old
> world.
> They have their own kind of "football", their own kind of liberalism,
> their own version of anarchism, their own kind of humanism, etc.. Many
> ideas become different when formulated by strongly creationist and
> isolationist people.
>
> One could also say that the population in a country which wants to rule
> the whole world has to be fooled, more fooled than any other people in
> the world.
> This means that a lot of stuff they teach US-americans in school is
> twisted and different from the knowledge the rest of the world learns.
> The words are defined differently and have different connotations.
>
> For example the word communist is not a negative word to many people in
> the world, but to americans it means something like fascist, criminal,
> idiot, people who eat their own babies, etc..
>
>> Now that is a mythology in the making. And to quote: "A socialized and
>> cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the
>> equitable
>> distribution of the means of life be possible. The goal of humanism is a
>> free and universal society" simply translates to: "WE have the Truth, the
>> Moral Truth and it is our evangelical mission to bring this truth to and
>> convert the rest of the world.
>
> That is your translation.
>
> What humanists have is critical thinking and science. We know there is
> no "Truth" we can rely on. We have to think for ourselves, we have to
> agree on laws we want to follow, we want to create a society which is
> good for us.

and that says it all!

What makes you think the religious don't have critical thinking and science?
That's like saying you can't be a *real* scientist if you are religious or
you can't get a *real* PhD if you are religious. I can march out a whole
list to the contrary.

You say there is no Truth we can rely on but I have yet to meet an atheists
who didn't argue from the POV of moral realism. I don't think you or David
know what that means. For example, you say "we want to create a society
which is *good* for us." What exactly does that mean? What is "good"? Is it
common good? Who decides what is the common good? The majority? What if you
don't agree upon what is the common good? Economically, should the common
good be based upon capitolism or socialism? What of the moral good? What if
the majority agree upon Sharia as the common moral practice?

In Naturalism good is totally subjective and relative.
http://www.answers.com/topic/naturalistic-fallacy I trust that you won't
make a fallacy when and if you define "good".

Scott



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