Re: Neanderthals & Adam & Eve
- From: Kermit <unrestrained_hand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
On Jun 7, 6:23 am, Nashton <n...@xxxxx> wrote:
On 12-05-23 5:27 PM, Kermit wrote:
<snip>
No, the 42 children killed by she bears were just laughing at an old
man's bald head. But he happened to be the King's (excuse me, God's)
representative, so that was a capital offense. Would *you kill
children for calling you baldy?
Lot's wife was killed because she glanced over her shoulder, overcome
with curiosity. I would not consider that worth of death. How about
uppity children - should they be stoned, or sold into slavery?
Yes, there seem to be only two real crimes in the old testament -
disobedience, and disrespect. Both subject the offenders to immediate
and awful deaths. Typical despot behavior for the time. It's only a
problem for those with a moral code who also read the bible as literal
truth.
And this is the extent to which you know anything about Christianity and
its relationship to the the Old and New Testament.
Stop bringing up the Old Testament as the NT. theologically speaking, is
the new covenant between Man and God. If you had an inkling you wouldn't
advertise your ignorance in public.
<deletia>
A few brief comments:
I notice that you ignore my previous response to your denial.
It's a new covenant, yet the rabbi Jesus said that not one iota of the
law shall be changed until Heaven and Earth have passed away.
If we are not punished for the sins of Adam and Eve, then what was the
whole "Fall" thing about?
You can find thousands of posts online (on other venues, mostly) right
now by Fundamentalists who claim that this disaster or that one are
punishments of God because the US isn't mean enough to gays, or
something.
There are thousands of posts (millions?) by US Christians who quote
some verse or other from the OT to justify their bigotry or sexual
obsessions. Herman in that long thread this is spun from did that.
Perhaps you've heard of the fuss from many, many schools and city
councils who want to post the ten commandments on public land?
There are no winners when people argue about the meaning of a
Rorschach ink blot.
Here's the part you snipped:
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We are all punished for the sins of Adam and Eve (disobedience),
committed before they knew the difference between good and evil. We
humans were cast out of Eden, and told that we would have to support
ourselves by the sweat of our brow. Now, I could read this as a
metaphor for the transition from hunter-gatherer to farmer or
shepherd, but if one is going to read Genesis that way one has no
complaint about mainstream science.
There were the firstborn sons of Egypt, punished for the Pharoah's
disobedience.
The children in Sodom and Gomorrah. The children who died in the
Flood.
And as a Southern Baptist preacher's grandson, I was taught that black
folks were the children of Ham, and deserved to be slaves, because Ham
mocked Noah when he was in a drunken stupor, or something like that.
(The bible's a little unclear - he told his brothers that their father
was drunk and naked in the tent. The implication is that he was
disrespectful of God's representative on Earth.)
There were really only two sins in the bible - disobedience, and
disrespect. (And they didn't have to be your own.) The same crimes,
that is, as in any bronze age kingdom - only with magic.
Where do you come up with these jewels and then claim to talk
about the matter ex cathedra?
From reading the bible interminably as a child, then reading posts,articles, and
talking to numerous fundies over the decades since.
(Exodus 20:5) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the
Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who
hate Me,"
(Deuteronomy 5:9) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I,
the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations
of those who hate Me,"
(Exodus 34:6-7) - "Then the Lord passed by in front of him and
proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow
to anger, and abounding in loving kindness and truth; 7who keeps
loving kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression
and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting
the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to
the third and fourth generations."
(1 Cor. 15:22) - "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall
be made alive."
Kermit
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