Re: Was There Ever Really a Beginning?

"On 20 Sep 2010 07:21:48 -0700, in article
<294992508.00007ce5.039.0001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, TomS stated..."

"On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT), in article
<52f4a916-7b31-4564-8714-8fb15cda71ce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, odin
stated..."

On Sep 20, 6:42 am, TomS <TomS_mem...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 04:14:15 -0500, in article
<i778l6$ej...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Klaus Hellnick stated..."







On 8/28/2010 2:10 PM, Mike Painter wrote:
Suzanne wrote:

Shells on all the mountains.
<snip>
So those shells migrated there and  produced thousands of generations in one
year?
In fresh water?

Large drug stones on the mountain that look like they would
have been used as balast or anchors. One with 8 crosses
carved into it, and Noah built an altar and put 8 crosses on
it.
Drugs sums it up but when did they get moved to the mountains?

<snip>

Every land on earth having a flood story of a world-wide
flood is very interesting evidence. That is most accomodating
and supportive of the flood account from the Bible.

Most lands don't talk much and while flood stories abound there are a lot of
cultures without one and many more that only speak of large floods.

It would be expected that people who live near water would have stories of
large floods.
I live in Northern California and in the 70's talked with a man who was
quite old. He remembered a flood that extended as far as the eye could see.

<snip>

What does that prove? It doesn't even have the detail that the
biblical account has. How do you know but what they got the
story from their ancestors?<Snip>

They did and their stories predate the flood story.

Then there is all of science that says neither story  could  happen.

how'd this happen?

I just got through telling you. The Bible
The Bible says that God told Noah and his family to get
in the ark and then it says at least three times that the
animals came into the ark to Noah. He didn't have to
go out and get them.

Coming into an ark is not the same as coming to an ark.
Even you would laugh at people who loaded boats if they told you that nobody
transported the goods there.

where'd the water come from? what about the kinetic energy of 25,000
feet of water delivered in 40 days?

the 1st law of thermodynamics precludes a flood.

The Bible tells where the water came from. It came from the
fountains of the deep that were broken up and from the
"windows" of heaven. You have but to figure out what those
are. A clue is that they never saw a rainbow until after the
flood, which is why some think the canopy with water over it
was still in tact (the "Raqiya" mentioned in the creation account.)
It has also not rained on the earth. The Bible tells that a  mist
went up from the ground to water the garden in the Eden
account, so it sounds like maybe the raqiya produced this
kind of greenhouse over the earth.

That's one story, the other talks of 40 days and nights of rain.

There is nothing in the bible that mentions a rainbow. RYFB. It says a sign
*IN* the clouds.

And it also does not say that rainbows didn't exist before the flood.
Very many bibliolators hold beliefs that are not in the Bible, like
Christ being born on Christmas,angels being women with wings, three wise
men (who were kings), and dead people becoming angels.

And it does not say that Noah's Ark landed on Mount Ararat.

Perhaps most interesting for t.o readers, nowhere does the Bible say
that God created fixed species (no fixed "kinds", either).

Hey... Nowhere does the bible even state that the bible is literally
true. At least not literally.


And nowhere does it say "the Bible is literally true except where
.. says that it's not."



I just happened across this interesting bit about the doxology to the
Lord's Prayer, "For thine is the kingdom ...", which is not considered
as part of the LP by some Christians, and which is absent from the
earliest manuscripts of the Bible.

The Wikipedia article on the LP has this, a claim quite unlike any that
I had ever heard before:

"A minority posit that the doxology was so important that early
manuscripts of Matthew neglected it due to its obviousness"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer#.22For_thine_is_the_kingdom.2C_and_the_power.2C_and_the_glory.2C_for_ever_and_ever._Amen.22>


--
---Tom S.
Surely, God could have caused birds to fly with their bones made of solid gold,
with their veins full of quicksilver, with their flesh heavier than lead
The Crime of Galileo (1976) by Giorgio De Santillana, p. 167

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