# Re: OT ? Mass doesn't attract, it's the universe around it which

Otto wrote:

"jillery" <69jpil69@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in news message 6874ac58-aeef-4175-83ce-bceb50d6ea66@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, Otto <O...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This is a video showing a lecture given by a macrobiotic practitioner.
Early in the video, he says 'space is pushing everything down onto the
surface, I know that sounds controversial because Mr. Newton said that
everything is falling, being pulled by the earth - may not be true.
Things may be pushed by the universe onto the surface of the earth'

It's not the first time I have come across this idea, and it is totally
true that we don't know which one is the "right" view. What we call
"falling" is just the movement we observe when an object is undergoing
that pushing or pulling force. It could even be a combination of both
working together.

I don't think science has ever shown either one of these views to be
right or wrong.

Otto

Let's see, how could I show the difference between space pushing and
mass pulling?
Hmmm.....
If if I could show more mass causes more pulling, but more space
doesn't cause more pushing....
Nah, it couldn't be that easy.
It must take an Einstein to figure it out.

If it were a straight kind of relationship like that, you would be right. Either more space would cause more pushing, or more mass would cause more pulling, and so the pull hypothesis would seem to be correct. But couldn't more mass cause more pushing ? The universe would push harder in the direction of the larger mass. There seems nothing illogical in this idea, you could still see gravity working this way.

Otto

Einstein has some field equaions that come from and lead to what are call world lines. Einstein said gravity was the BEND in space not the masses of the objects. Orbits literal fall around the orbital center, and the other thing he proved was that those orbits are not closed ellipses. but rotate. Mercury does, the other planets have too much secular motions to notice. near the black hole in the center of the galaxy all the orbits process between 1 minute per orbit and 12 minutes per orbit. they have LARGE securlar motions as well.

Einstein would reject the pushing just like he rejected to pulling.

josephus

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