Re: Aristotle and his tautological influence

On Nov 2, 1:40 am, backspace <stephan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
== PENDING ==http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_selection
"....In evolutionary biology, group selection refers to the idea that
alleles can become fixed or spread in a population because of the
benefits they bestow on groups, regardless of the alleles' effect on
the fitness of individuals within that group....."

The words 'evolutionary' , selection, alleles  and fitness are
arbitrary irrelevant ornamentation around the tautological core in
order to disguise the mythological premise of Gods slaying see-
monsters with the battle now between organisms themselves, the strong
allele outwitting the weak allele.
Let us replace these weasel words to expose the tautology:

IOW if you toss out the EVIDENCE for evolution there's no evidence for
evolution

that's true. of course, if you toss out belief in god there's no
evidence for god either.

as the historian dan diner pointed out, fundamentalists have a
language problem. their religion, unable to understand how science
works, ignores it. and you prove him right. 'allele' has a specific
meaning and role in evolution. you ignore it. so do the other terms.



Can you think of anyway to refute this, any test that could falsify
it?

yeah. you go in a lab, take a strain of bacteria, subject it to
environmental pressures and watch descent with modification happen

it's been done. and it supports evolution

creationism? still wallowing around sacrificing goats to stop disease.

Those that are suitable implies that they will be beneficial and
those that are beneficial implies they are suitable - how could be any
other way. This tautological core is then fleshed out with semantic
trivia such as selection, allele, strong selection, weak selection,
group selection, evolution etc.

uh huh. so if you toss out ALL scientific ideas then science doesn't
exist

who coulda guessed?


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