Re: was (one more thing I want to show the public and court)

On Aug 11, 10:31 am, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:57 am, gregwrld <GCzeba...@xxxxxxx> wrote:



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On Aug 10, 9:33 am, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 10, 2:45 am, "Mike Dworetsky"

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On Aug 9, 1:57 pm, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 9, 4:41 am, "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

The basic requirement seems to be a solvent (water is nice), chemical
nutrients, a matrix such as clay, and an energy supply and heat source.
All
four are found near deep sea vents. The Miller and Urey experiment has
been
superseded by other experiments with different conditions and many if
not
all of them result in formation of the required molecules.

Are you claiming that all the required molecules for a unicellular
organism
have been accounted for by these experiments?

The reason why I wanted to bring this up should be self evident.
But let me give you an example.
Take a deck of cards, containing 52 cards.
Now remove the four sevens and set them aside.
Now shuffle and deal out a 5 card poker hand.
No matter how long you do this, no matter how many times
you repeat that, you will never get 4 sevens in a poker hand ...
Same thing for life, if you can't account for some of the pieces, no
matter what conditions, no matter how long, you will never get life ...

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False analogy.  Try harder.

The actuality took an unknown period of tens or hundreds of millions of
years.  Science has been experimenting on the subject of abiogenesis for
about 75 years.  To argue that because not every gap in knowledge has been
filled in those 75 years, the only alternative is that it must have been a
miracle brought about by a supernatural being (or whatever--you aren't
entirely clear, and that's an understatement) is a bit premature, to say the
least.

It's called the "God of the Gaps" argument, and it suffers from the fatal
weakness that the gaps get filled in by actual scientists doing real
science.  Come back in 25 years and you may find the gaps have been filled
in.

No as I have heard this story before.
They claim that the missing pieces came in on a meteor.
Isn't that their story?- Hide quoted text -

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Let me explain why this is indeed a relevant part of the story.
Remember, the overriding fairy tale is that everything just happened
by itself, no intelligence required.
Now by saying essentially that a big rock just fell out
of the sky, swooped down, bringing them their necessary missing
components
in order to save their fairy tale at that point.
Now in order to continue their claim, the overriding context must be
kept, and
they must account how those pieces got on that rock.
Mind you, it is out in space, no atmosphere on the rock, and it is
very very very very very chilly out there.

Let's hear their explanation that saves their fairy tale.

Hold yer breath out there ...

Not just one big rock but thousands
of meteors and comets.

Oh ok, so now it is thousands of rocks swooping out of the sky to save
the day and I suppose each one brought different missing things you
needed
too, right?

Makes more sense than believing
some invisible being poofed it all
up.

Especially since there's no evidence
whatsoever for such a being.

gregwrld

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    ... No matter how long you do this, ... weakness that the gaps get filled in by actual scientists doing real ... the overriding fairy tale is that everything just happened ... Now by saying essentially that a big rock just fell out ...
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