Re: did man walk on the moon...and creationism.

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:47:43 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:08:23 -0400, J. J. Lodder wrote
(in article <1j3qbwv.at0uxq11d3txyN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:46:39 -0400, J. J. Lodder wrote
(in article <1j3q6ob.7psxfs14gwztoN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

When it came to the crunch Von Braun chose the right side,
that is, against Himmler and the SS. (and suffered the consequences)
This makes nonsense of any claim that he must have been a baddie
just because he held an SS rank.

I'd feel so much more confidence in your analysis if only you could point
out exactly when Churchill 'put a stop' to the bombing of Germany. Any
word as to when you might post supporting info on that?

If time permits. Nagging doesn't help.

You will _never_ support it.

Quite possible. There are always other things.
I may come back to it. (if time permits)


Why not just concede the point and move on? A major reason why I
don't respect Suzanne is because she keeps arguing for positions
that have been thoroughly refuted. Andre, OTOH, made a minor
mistake in one of his posts, I corrected him and he accepted the
correction and moved on. Nothing wrong with that. We all make
mistakes.



I understand you admit defeat on the issue
of Von Braun being an SS officer with the power
to give orders to those running Mittelwerk?

You understand incorrectly. A sturmbanfuhrer could have ordered the guards
to stand aside... if he had wanted to.

A real one, perhaps. (but see below)
Not a merely honorary one like Von Braun.


I'm no expert on this subject, but I'm thinking that if WvB saw a
guard beating a worker and he told the guard to stop, the guard
would have complied whether WvB was a real officer, an honorary
officer or just a plain civilian. I'm sure the guards knew that WvB
was a pretty important rocket scientist and that his work was the
whole reason they were there. The more important question, as far
as I am concerned, is would it have made any difference? I suspect
that if WvB had told a guard to stop, that as soon as a higher
ranking Nazi found out, he would have shot the worker, told the
guards to ignore any pleas for mercy for workers from WvB and told
WvB to mind his own business. Further, WvB would likely have been
labeled a Jew-lover.

Now, if I'm right, does this exonerate WvB? Well, if that's the
extent of his involvement in the mistreatment of prisoners, just
that he knew of it, even if by directly witnessing it, I think it
does. On the other hand, if he was complicit, then that's a
different matter. I don't know if he was or wasn't.



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