Re: O.T. FYI
- From: Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
On Jun 30, 9:30 am, j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
Robert Carnegie: Fnord <rja.carne...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 29, 9:18 am, j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 29 June, 07:13, j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (John S. Wilkins) wrote:...
Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 29 June, 02:44, j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 27 June, 15:05, j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 27 June, 10:44, j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
Ah, so it was her long standing exclusive relationship with
Ryan O'Neill? People get cancers for all kinds of reasons
that are not of their doing, and HPV infection doesn't imply
sexual misbehaviour. I lost my finger to HPV induced cancer.
It was not of my doing.
I am sorry to hear that, but may I ask, was a mole or wart
involved?
Yes/ Nothing would get rid of it. Still want to say
lifestyle was involved?
So was it referred to as a common wart or a flat wart?
All the GP said was "It's a wart". At that stage I was unaware
of the fine details, unfortunately. By the time we knew what it
was, it had eaten down to the periosteum.
Just out of curiosity, were you in close contact at any time with
someone else who had warts?
No. And I had no sexual partners when I got that wart, around 17. I
know where you're going with this, but the fact is, people can pick
up HPV in a number of ways that they have little or no control over.
My first warts I probably got from the school gym. In those days
nobody thought that one should shower in a communal shower wearing
footwear. You'd have been treated like an idiot if you did.
I wasn't talking about intimacy of a sexual kind, just ordinary day to
day contact, which could be something as simple as sharing a towel or
other personal item that may come into contact with that person's
wart.
In fact warts on the hand are caused by a completely different set of
HPV types to those that are sexually transmitted and cause genital
warts.
Is that true, or just received wisdom? The cell types that were infected
by my cancer were squamous, just like cervical cancer. In fact, the
cancer specialists at Peter McCallum Cancer Institute in Melbourne, one
of the leading cancer specialist hospitals in the world, had never seen
another case in 30 years.
I can believe it's rare. Unfortunately, as on _House, M.D._, that's
going to mean that it takes a long time for them to work out what
you've got. Sometimes 35 minutes, not counting commercials. Doesn't
leave long for treatment, unless it's an easy-to-cure disease with an
atypical presentation.
When I was in school back in the 60s and 70s any child with warts or
verrucas was immediately excluded from the physical education classes
until they cleared up, and that would require that the child be
examined and passed by their own GP, and the school nurse or doctor..
Not where I was - Scotland. As far as we knew, warts - which I've had
on my fingers on and off, in the joints (happily superficial and not
actually having a finger off) - were ugly but harmless. Science
didn't have a lot to offer in place of old wives' tales. Virus was
mentioned, and the danger of passing it on. At one point I think I
had some kind of treatment - acid? - that turned the wart flesh white
and dead under a bandage, but my own flesh likewise (well, it was all
my own), and although all of that peeled off with the bandage, it
seemed there was always more wart underneath.
Podophyllin or salycilic acid are the two treatments. They will kill the
virus in the superficial wart tissue, but in the subcutaneous ones.
That's what I had - it got beneath the skin and muscle.
I forgeteif eventually we declared success, ran out of the treatment,
or just stopped. Latterly, they've come and gone, as I say. Maybe
I've been keeping better company, or I'm no longer fertile territory
for them. (At 43, nearly.)
We're told that the sexual HPV is usually naturally "cured" after 18
months - cancer later is the exception. It's also relatively recent
news, so when it comes to warts elsewhere, who knows.
That's another tale. It doesn't strike me as true absolutely. It's more
a rule of thumb, I bet.
Now prior to the time your wart or warts became malignant were you
suffering from any other illnesses or receiving any treatments that
may have affected your immune system?
I had three relapses of glandular fever (another "fact" that you cannot
get infectious mononucleosis more than once is also false) in the three
years leading up to it. I spent 6 months in bed with the third dose. I
probably have a compromised or ineffective immune system for some viral
infections.
Oh dear, has something final finally happened to James Nicoll? I have
a sense of a torch being handed on. (Not with that hand - don't drop
it!)
Don't get you. I had a couple of possibly related medical conditions -
is that catastrophising?
Not exactly. And I think Mr. Nicoll is fine... it's just that, as
with him, the list of, well, alarming circumstances of your life gets
longer, the longer that we talk about it. So I don't really want to
bring up, say, car accidents. I'm content not knowing.
.
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