Re: More questions for Sean Pitman.
- From: Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
On 1 May, 16:23, Blind Buzzard <BlindBuzz...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2009 06:26:58 -0700, John Harshman
<jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Blind Buzzard wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:08:33 -0700, John Harshman
<jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Blind Buzzard wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:26:13 -0700, John Harshman
<jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Blind Buzzard wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:05:45 -0700 (PDT), Inez
<savagemouse...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:42 pm, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Blind Buzzard wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Inez
<savagemouse...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 30, 9:53 am, "Steven L." <sdlit...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Inez wrote:
<snip>
It *was* intelligently designed. But it's *swarm* intelligence--the
collective intelligence of all wasps acting in concert.
Here on Earth, the collective intelligence of an ant colony is of a
pretty high order too:
http://www.brianhayes.com/images/ants.jpg
Looks like an abstract sculpture, a human work of art, doesn't it?
So you picked a bad analogy.
I'm not ready to give up on it yet. I don't think that "swarm
intelligence" is the same as the intelligence that Mr. Pitman is
talking about. I don't think he would be satisfied with that
answer.
Blind Buzzard wrote:
Somebody around here was telling me I have a brain in my skull made up
of swarms of one-cell little critters, and that they are responsible for
my intelligence. I told them that, sure I have a brain, and maybe it's
made up of little one cell critters working together, but that there's
no way that a setup like that could produce any intelligence. He said,
"well, maybe in your case, that's true."
To me this looks *exactly* like you are arguing for swarm
intelligence.
And in particular that ant and hornet nests are intelligent. If you
aren't
what is the point you are trying to make?
Blind Buzzard wrote:
Wasps are smart.
bollocks.
I heard that some mamma wasps lay eggs on spiders which
the little babies then eat from the inside out. Now, you might say
that's nothing but instinct, but these mamma wasps know the spiders are
going to get used up, so they paralyze another spider for each of their
growing little young ones
<snip wasp behaviour>
What? I thought we were talking about the nature of intelligence. I
don't know much about the subject, but it seems to me it's something you
need to discuss before you can start trying to pin down whether there
was an intelligent designer or not.
Intelligence is the ability to reason about a situation. To modify
discisions
on the basis of changeing circumstances. To learn by mistakes. Wasps
don't
do these things. Nor do hornets' nests.
<snip>
No, I'm not saying any of that. I was pointing out that you were the one
claiming that insect colonies were intelligent, but then you veered off
into claiming that individual insects were intelligent, which is quite
another thing.
Are you sure it was me that said insect colonies are intelligent?
I'm sure see the bit near the beginning that I hilighted.
Do you think *we* are as dumb as wasps?
It
appears now that none of us know anything about the nature of
intelligence.
I submit that some of us do.
That puts us at a disadvantage in trying to understand the
nature of the intelligent designer, but that's just the way it is
since there isn't one your point is moot.
[Nick Keighley]
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