Re: neurostim or ketamine infusion

On Jun 5, 9:25 am, Vend <ven...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 5, 3:02 pm, "rnor...@xxxxxxxxx" <rnor...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Jun 5, 8:26 am, Vend <ven...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 5, 3:05 am, "rnor...@xxxxxxxxx" <rnor...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 4, 7:37 pm, Vend <ven...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 5, 1:12 am, "rnor...@xxxxxxxxx" <rnor...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You are right -- there is no  easy answer.  You jusy do your best and
hope (and pray) for the best.

pray?

There are many forms of prayer, including its total absence that
different people find suitable.  When somebody faces a tremendously
difficult and stressful situation, you don't question the techniques
they privately employ to find some solace.

I didn't intend to criticize, I just found the suggestion a bit odd
(if I rember correctly, both you and Matt are atheists, aren't you?).

Anyway, I've heard there are atheists who pray, but I never understood
that.

Odd is routine for this group.  I, personally, do not pray but I make
no assumptions about others, particularly others in distress.  My
reference was parenthesized to try to indicate that it is an optional
choice. I also find extremely offensive those militant atheists who
would deny the solace of prayer to those who choose that route.

As I said, there is a wide spectrum of thought about prayer from total
rejection to complete and irrational belief in its efficacy. My guess
is that "pray" is most commonly used merely as an indicator of support
(as Matt took it to be) and not as a beseeching of a deity to
intervene in the activities of this world,  "I pray she gets better"
does not mean I fly to the Western Wall to leave a slip of paper
between the stones deposited with the properly chanted phrases, nor
need I get down on my knees and clasp my hands.  It is like saying
"Hello, how are you?" without really wanting a detailed response of
just how the person is.  And, pray tell, why should we eliminate such
niceties of social discourse from our language?  I urgently and
fervently hope for Matt's wife to find relief.  That is all I can do
at this remove.

Ok.

Richard said it much better than I could, but I will add one thing, as
an atheist. Whether it is a placebo effect or autohypnosis coupled
with some sort of biofeedback mechanism, prayer really can help a
person in pain. And to a person in serious pain even a short respite
is precious.

Again, Matt, good luck. Please pass my hopes on to Susan.

Chris

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