Re: Yes. They all fit

On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:24:04 -0500, "[M]adman" <adman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in <7hhTl.47180$qa.14286@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :

Burkhard wrote:
On May 27, 4:24 pm, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
[M]adman wrote:
John Harshman wrote:
spintronic wrote:
On May 26, 2:04 pm, John Harshman
<jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[M]adman wrote:
All the animals fit in Noah's Ark.

One railroad stock car can carry about 240 sheep. This would
mean that all 40,000 animals could fit in 167 railroad cars.
Where does the number 40,000 come from?
Last time I checked, it was damn near close to 167*240.

Are you trying to say that the number of animals the ark had to
carry was determined by adjusting it to fit the size of the ark? I
don't think the author of the original piece would be happy with
this accusation, though of course you're too stupid to realize
that it's an accusation.

That is eactly what happened. God himself did the adjusting. See
The Book Of Jasher Chapter 5, but it is best to read the entire
book.

You are easily as stupid as spintronic. Don't let anyone shortchange
you. The point is that if the authors of your little web page
determined how many animals the ark had to carry by seeing how many
would fit into the ark, using that as an argument for the ark being
big enough to carry all the animals is circular. But of course the
authors did no such thing. They just took the biggest creationist
estimate they could find (Based on what? We don't know) and added a
bit as to be "conservative". Of course you don't even read the stuff
you cut and paste, so you couldn't have been expected to know.

And the "Book of Jasher" is a 19th Century forgery.

Are you sure about this? As far as I know, there are two alleged books
of Jasher, one an obvious and uncontroversial forgery from 1751 (18th
century) supposedly translated by Alcuin who for some straneg reason
spoke pseudo-Elizabethan english ;o)

Then I think there is a "contested" 1625 book that contains in
addition to biblical material stuff that is also found in various
parts of the midrash and other Arabic sources. Parts of it are clearly
medieval the earliest, but not per se a forgery.

but maybe I got this confused and they are the same after all in
different translations.


Information was passed down from family to family. Usually father to eldest
son. This is a common practice even today within many families around the
world. Except in America of course. That is because we have effectively
destroyed the family and therefore destroyed most all family traditions.
Which is why people like Harshman do not believe in these traditions. He
does not understand that the middle eastern families have continually passed
their traditions down for thousands of years. They still do. And this can be
an accurate way of understanding what has happened throughout history from
each family's perspective.

The information recorded in books such as Jasher and Enoch, The Cave of
Treasures and many more, were handed down to Enoch who handed them down to
his great grandson, Noah.

Then why does the Book of Jashar mention post-flood events? Was Enoch
capable of time travel?


These traditions eventually were handed to
Abraham, who was born in Sumaria and is the reason for the Sumarian flood
stories being there. Abraham left sumaria and then in turn handed these
books down until Moses finally got them. Moses condensed many of the stories
into one book called Genesis when he wrote the Torah for the Hebrews to have
to remember their traditions by.

Why not just preserve the original text?


The branch of the Hebrew family that lives in Ethiopia have been very
trustworthy in keeping the Hebrew traditions accurate and preserved. They
have a version of the Book of Jasher.

Then why can't you point me to it?


And no matter how much the
evolutionist arm waves, these books are not "forgeries". The information in
these types of books are noteworthy. They are worthy of consideration while
seeking a true origin of mankind. Why? Because there is no reason
what-so-ever for these books to be written as a lie.

Just because you can't think of a reason doesn't mean that there isn't
one.


The tone of the books
are historical in story format. Because stories are easier to remember and
be passed down.

If these stories are true then evolution is not entirely true. And THAT is
why so many on the evolution side refuse to accept their veracity by
whatever means they can.

So, you accept the cosmology outlined in the Book of Enoch? Are you a
Flat Earther?

.

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