Re: Yes. They all fit

Burkhard wrote:
On May 27, 4:24 pm, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
[M]adman wrote:
John Harshman wrote:
spintronic wrote:
On May 26, 2:04 pm, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
[M]adman wrote:
All the animals fit in Noah's Ark.
One railroad stock car can carry about 240 sheep. This would mean
that all 40,000 animals could fit in 167 railroad cars.
Where does the number 40,000 come from?
Last time I checked, it was damn near close to 167*240.
Are you trying to say that the number of animals the ark had to carry
was determined by adjusting it to fit the size of the ark? I don't
think the author of the original piece would be happy with this
accusation, though of course you're too stupid to realize that it's
an accusation.
That is eactly what happened. God himself did the adjusting. See The Book Of
Jasher Chapter 5, but it is best to read the entire book.
You are easily as stupid as spintronic. Don't let anyone shortchange
you. The point is that if the authors of your little web page determined
how many animals the ark had to carry by seeing how many would fit into
the ark, using that as an argument for the ark being big enough to carry
all the animals is circular. But of course the authors did no such
thing. They just took the biggest creationist estimate they could find
(Based on what? We don't know) and added a bit as to be "conservative".
Of course you don't even read the stuff you cut and paste, so you
couldn't have been expected to know.

And the "Book of Jasher" is a 19th Century forgery.

Are you sure about this? As far as I know, there are two alleged books
of Jasher, one an obvious and uncontroversial forgery from 1751 (18th
century) supposedly translated by Alcuin who for some straneg reason
spoke pseudo-Elizabethan english ;o)

That's the one he's referring to. I should have said "18th Century forgery, reprinted in the 19th Century".

Then I think there is a "contested" 1625 book that contains in
addition to biblical material stuff that is also found in various
parts of the midrash and other Arabic sources. Parts of it are clearly
medieval the earliest, but not per se a forgery.

The farther you go back in time, especially before printing, the more ambiguous the term "forgery" becomes. People seem to have felt free to write using the name of someone else, to alter or combine content, or to make up facts to fit their arguments. Hmmm...rather like the web. Perhaps the printed book era was an aberration that we are now passing out of. I will content myself with stating that the book wasn't written before the common era, and so can't be the "ancient text" that Madman is thinking of (even if that were the one he was thinking of rather than the 18th century forgery).

but maybe I got this confused and they are the same after all in
different translations.

Not according to Wikipedia, but of course that's part of the modern era in web publication.

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