Re: lets all be normal and acknowlede freedom is real



nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx <nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Its a fact, the earth gravitates round the sun, towards the position
where the sun is now, and not the position where the sun used to be
for the time it takes for light to travel to the earth.

Not quite. The Earth accelerates toward the position the Sun will
be in a few hundredths of a nanosecond.

This instantaneous relationship over a distance between the sun
and the earth is usefully explained in terms of freedom.

No, it's not. The Earth can't change its mind about the direction
of its acceleration.

The gravity energy
propagates by the speed of light, but with an anticipation based on
velocity and acceleration that is instantaneous. So the law that
nothing travels faster than light is not violated, but there is an
instantaneous relationship nevertheless.

No, it's not an instantaneous relationship. If the Sun were to somehow
suddenly change its course, the Earth would continue to accelerate
toward its pre-change "extrapolated" position for about eight minutes,
and then abruptly change its acceleration to point close to the true
position of the Sun.

Steve Carlip


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